Trump, where do you stand on him now?

[Dill]

(11-13-2020, 08:32 PM)GMDino Wrote: I know, I know...another Trump thread. 

But I'm just curious about something (lots of things but one thing this time):


For four years we've had people here strongly defending Trump, people who strongly disliked Trump, and people who said they didn't like Trump but only defended him because others didn't like him.  

At one point it was suggested to me to try and understand why his supporters did what they did and said what they said rather than challenge them because challenging them just made them more hardcore in their defense of Trump.

So how are you all feeling now?  Watching how he is acting after losing both the popular vote and the EC and continuing to post that he really won, that it is all a conspiracy?  The baseless lawsuits?

Are you still willing to defend him as a person let a lone as as President?

He never "grew into the job".
His "different" ways of handling things never translated to political success.
He never drained the swamp.  In fact he filled it with his own special swamp creatures.
He never ran the country like a business other than to spend wildly, steal money from one department to fund another (failing) one and drive up debt.

What did he do that you thought he would that was worth all that time defending him?

The Supreme Court?

Congrats.  You sold your souls for a couple court cases that then might get changed back later.

A tax cut?  Unless you're in the top 10% you will see your taxes slowly rise moving forward as the "middle class" part was only temporary.

Four years ago everyone knew what and who Trump was.  Some of you hitch your wagon to him and whipped that horse like it going to take you to the promised land.  Instead you barely got out of the gate and now the horse is crapping all around you and demanding you celebrate it.

He was destined to embarrass himself and he did. 

Every day since the election was called is just worse and worse.  In both what he say and what he does.

I feel bad that people were so snookered.  I don't feel bad for the people who knew but supported him anyway for couple pieces of silver in the form of three SCJ and a temporary tax break at the expense of our standing in the world and the slow erosion of the norms that make out country run.

Most of what he did can be fixed.  But I fear the people who didn't care for four years will make the same choices again in the future because they haven't learned anything.

Just my two cents.

LOL this is closer to a nickel than 2 cents.

I want to disagree with you on one point: ALL of us didn't "know who and what he was."  

That is the most disturbing aspect of this chapter in US history.  Millions could not agree that someone who marches in four Clinton scandal women to a debate is borderline psychotic and more showman than substance. 

Trump's handling of foreign policy was very much like his handling of the pandemic--impulsive, linked to the stock market, uninformed and contemptuous of expert advice and wise counsel, and heedless of consequence. But it took his performance during the pandemic to reach those who normally ignore policy of all kinds.  

And it's not over yet, as Trump scrambles to use his remaining days in power to upend the Pentagon, installing his loyalists to push through his rushed withdrawals from Afghanistan and Iraq, and to fix oil leases on Alaskan land. Not to mention encouraging his followers to take to the street and protest the "stolen" election. 

Trump was/is the tip of a disinformation iceberg that hasn't melted much since he lost the election. This disinformation will continue to clog US politics, disrupting domestic and foreign policy, long after he has been forced out. 

Efforts to construct Trump as a normal politician continue--sometimes by casting those who object to the abnormality of his term in the name of ethical standards, respect for science and democratic norms are the ones really "over the top."