Trump, where do you stand on him now?

[Dill]

(11-18-2020, 03:04 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: We have?  I don't recall a lot of "full throated" defense here, which is where you are asking the question.  In case you're wondering why you got no response, just reread this post, it should clear that up for you.

I've yet to see someone defend Trump on this board who wasn't instantly treated in the way I described.

It is difficult to give Trump a "full throated defense," yet Stonyhands, Other Mike, SunsetBengal and others have certainly tried multiple times. And on many different threads with the normal back and forth, no one poster calling any other "fascist" or "racist" or "misogynist." 

I might throw Lucy and Vlad in there too, though they are no longer with us. 

And check out the discussion in threads like this:
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Why-Is-Trump-s-Wall-A-Bad-Thing?page=7&highlight=center+for+immigration

And this: 
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Does-Trump-inspire-hate-from-his-followers?pid=779857&highlight=othermike#pid779857

And this: http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Whistle-Blower%E2%80%99s-Complaint-Is-Said-to-Involve-Multiple-Acts-by-Trump?pid=766677&highlight=guatemala#pid766677

And this: http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?page=6&highlight=misogyny

Civil back and forth going on for pages. I can multiply examples. 

The overall tendency has been to argue against Trump, and Trump supporters, with data, facts, logical, legal and historical arguments. 

(11-18-2020, 03:04 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: It absolutely is.  I know you somehow never manage to see it but Hollo has, several times. 

And you won't for reasons I've already explained.  You're certainly not the worst offender in this regard, by a long shot, but your replies tend to veer towards the condescending and don't engender an atmosphere of honest discussion on this topic.

I'm not a Trump supporter and never have been, so I don't know why my opinion is of interest to you given your stated preference.  I've stated many times in many threads why I think he's doing what he's doing.  He wants to create enough doubt so he can leave office claiming he was cheated and never defeated.  I honestly don't think he even wanted a second term, but he damn sure doesn't want to be perceived as having honestly lost.

When it comes to name calling, I am not an "offender" at all. Period. 

"Condescension" again--your vaguest and most mysterious charge against me.  Have I ever responded to any one's post with "TL;DR"? Have I  ever announced that I am "laughing" at other posters or that I find their arguments "amusing"? 

In argument mode, I have been pretty careful to treat posters with respect, which includes defining my terms and re-explaining myself if understood--all of which has drawn condescension towards me from others. In parody mode, I speak as my opponents do, with their language, and with humor.

What doesn't engender honest discussion of a topic is declaring that people will be called "Fascists" or "misogynist" or "racist" if they defend Trump before anyone has even defended Trump, in a forum where that has not really been the case.

There is not a single person in this forum who thinks that you are a Trump supporter.  And yet, no one has run "normalizing" interference for him more frequently than you, as if Trump critics were really the ones who make civil discourse difficult in the US today.