Trump, where do you stand on him now?

[Dill]

(11-18-2020, 06:08 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: It's absolutely the case.  One of your buddies throws the racist term out at the drop of a hat.  As I said, Hollo has noticed it, and called it out, on numerous occasions, yet somehow you always miss it.

Oh my, that simply isn't true at all.  

Hahaha, I do love it when people make my point for me.  I dislike hypocrisy and hyperbole, hence my having issues with some of the hot takes on this board from time to time.  I suppose I'm a Trump "normalizer" but not a "supporter"?  I do love when the conversation veers into the semantic.

No need to respond further, I don't see anything being further resolved from this discussion.  You have your position and I have mine.  I suppose we'll wait and see how many Trump supporters respond to this bait thread to see who is correct.

Can't figure out which buddy throws out the "racist" term at the drop of a hat. Bpat or Dino? Bengalzona? Hollo has "called it out" numerous times?  

I think you should want to hear my response, especially about the "normalizer" and "supporter" distinction. 

A Trump supporter at a rally who cheers when he reads the snake poem is certainly supporting Trump, but without normalizing his behavior. A lot of supporters "perform" his abnormal (for a politician) behavior right along with him. If you tell them the behavior is not normal, they'll happily agree because they didn't want "normal": they wanted someone who would "shake things up." 

There are non-supporters, though, who don't vote for Trump and don't attend his rallies, and are often willing to grant he is a boor, yet when his racism, misogyny or authoritarian behavior are criticized, they step forward to criticize the critics.  When Trump critics remark on chaotic and unprecedented turnover of WH staff, and the demeaning public treatment of those fired, these non-supporters are quick to remind us that there is turnover in every administration and Trump has a right to have people who will carry out his views, not their own. His Muslim ban was "not really" a Muslim ban, and so not really a very public attempt to scapegoat a world religion. Complaints about insults to allies, and cabinet picks with no experience and nepotism, are just "butthurt" because Hillary lost.  See: "normal" nothing really out of the ordinary here. Supporters do this too, of course. 

So clearly people can normalize Trump's behavior without supporting him, just as they can support him without normalizing it.  It would be absurd to argue that people can only normalize Trump's behavior if they are supporters.

Perhaps the ground of this normalizing behavior is that the people who don't support Trump also don't think he has done much damage at all to the U.S. government and its individual institutions from the military  to the CDC to the post office to the State Department. Nor has he done much damage to civil discourse; Dems are "just as bad."   From that perspective, Trump critics who insist the damage be publicly recognized are just acting out hyperbole, or "hypocrisy"--whattabout the Clintons?  From their perspective they are fair and balanced, standing in the middle. Both sides do it, whatever "it" is. And that definitely helps one side.