Politics and Religion

[hollodero]

(03-02-2021, 01:13 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Obama is pretty much a god to the left, although he certainly has his detractors.

That is tough to compare though, on the grounds that Obama was not Trump. Meaning he did not say outrageous Trump things, he did not... [insert mile-long list of Trump things Trump did], so the devotion of him was not nearly as intensely tested out.

Cuomo would be a better comparison imho. He was real popular a few months back. I'm sure he has his defenders still. What does not happen though is that people call all the new accusations fake news put out by deeply dishonest reporters that are enemies of the people, and whoever attacks Cuomo is not called mentally deranged, blinded by hatred, brainwashed by the media or a dumb sheep incapable of independent thought.
While all of this was frequently said when someone was critical of Trump. All of that was also said to me.

(03-02-2021, 01:13 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Again, I think you're reading too much into the religion aspect and not accounting enough for the nationalism facet.  Although there is certainly a sizeable percentage of Trump followers who do so for religious reasons I think a far larger percentage do so for reasons of nationalism.

Again :) the issue might be that I just don't see the left as that much less nationalistic. All of them repeat all the time how the US is the greatest country on earth. Almost no one in Austria would ever say that about our country. So I might have an other perspective on nationalism to begin with.
I also think in the US, the two tend to mix. God's own country and such.

(03-02-2021, 01:13 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: No, it's certainly not all, and I think the reasons that people support Trump are much more varied than you realize.  As I've stated here many times, I work in East LA, the vast majority of people ate my work location are Hispanic.  The vast majority of them are major Trump supporters.

Yeah, maybe I did still present a way too narrow view. I tried to make clear that I don't want to paint every Trump voter with the same brush, but it might be too broad a brush still. But no, of course there are multiple varying reasions to support Trump. It's this wide-spread unconditional devotion that leads me to putting my take the way I did, this devotion that still baffles me.

(03-02-2021, 01:13 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I think here is where you not residing here hinders your ability to see this.  I certainly live in a very far left area of the country, consequently what I see is a more extreme version of what others get.  But one need only watch television for your daily dose of white people suck or the US is inherently racist.

I'm severely hindered, so I'm not insisting too much on anything. I did watch some US TV though (had to stop after a while for my sanity). I did not quite reach the same impression then you did. I could not recognize a constant stream of voices calling all white people racist. I do agree that what I saw in regard to racism often took it too far and often was taken as truth too easily, that just falling in line with the PC thing to say is way too popular. I might have blind spots for sure, for one I do think that the US still has a racism problem and this can and should be addressed. But who says "all white people suck" really. I keep calling that a tad hyperbolic.

--- when it comes to TV. What goes on in California, I don't know. The more I know, the more I believe there is indeed some actual craziness going on.

(03-02-2021, 01:13 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: It may very well be a case of the loud minority getting the attention.  In fact it's probably true.  What concerns me is that the loud minority is not told to STFU by the rest.  

Yeah... in my view, political people in the US have a tendency to not aim at their own under no circumstances. I also feel that goes both ways. Not many on the right tell folks that claim the election was stolen to STFU either. This is not a defense, for I think you're quite right there.