Politics and Religion

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(03-02-2021, 01:41 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: You can choose to take my word on this or not, but I assure you the majority of Republicans aren't in "awe" of Donald Trump and never were.  (Awe is a really strong word)

I know. I KNOW... I used a term I shouldn't have used, I realized it when answering to you, I still hoped it would slip through somehow. Well, it did not, thanks to you and Bels. So, point well taken.

(03-02-2021, 01:41 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: The majority of Republicans (WELL over 90%) don't have stickers on their car, don't go to rallys, don't have signs in their yard, and most importantly, voted mainly for him based on his either his policy or the letter next to his name (R or D, like all too many Americans)

The problem is that his supporters are stupid and loud (the one's I'm describing above, not simply voters).  And even more than that, our media (mainstream, social, etc) is hellbent on extemely polarizing coverage.

Ex: The video of a clear Trump supporter with a room temperature IQ yelling in front of wherever will get 10x the amount of traction as a Republican who's looking to have a legitimate conversation about immigration.

Ex:  The video of an Antifa member throwing a rock at a cop's head will get 10x the amount of views as the Democrat looking to a have a conversation about why their local police force needs  a hovercraft and an armoured psudeo-tank.

I pesonally know a lot of Republicans that think Trump is an absolute clown, but they prefer his policy.  He was the lesser of two evils for them.  In no way do they want to be associated with the "cult" that people like to think makes up so much of the party (it doesn't).

I feel like I could go on a huge rant here, but I'll just say this.  The average democrat and average republican are nowhere near the political spectrum the climate currently suggest.  They're not just one side of boxes you can checkmark down their respective side. 

And as many Democrats who aren't exactly thrilled with Biden, but felt he was better than alternative, I think the same is true with a lot of Republicans, both in 2016 and 2020.  People are closer to the middle, and have more common than what the extemes on each side present.

I find little to oppose here. These are good points and I see it quite similarly. The only things I'd say in response is a) that democrats, I believe, would not have accepted someone just like Trump, that this is an extreme that is unmatched and could not be swallowed so easily on that side. Case in point. b) Trump DID win the primaries, and as of now, he would still win the primaries again with way more than 50% support. If it were just as you said, republican voters could just go with someone who is less of a clown. But a majority of republicans still would pick Trump over someone else. That's why I don't think Trump can just be explained by people holding their nose and reluctantly voting for his conservative policies.

(03-02-2021, 01:41 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: PS On McConnell and Graham... they're just playing politics.  That's an entirely different conversation.  Trust me, they're not big Trump fans.

I know. I brought them up because as you said, they do what they think is best for their personal career. It just happens that as of now, they consider backing Trump as being said best move. And I believe they think that because the polling and overall climate within the party seems to indicate as much.