03-02-2021, 04:32 PM
(03-02-2021, 03:18 PM)hollodero Wrote: I guess that is the case. But Bernie is not an extreme that is comparable to Trump. And by that I mean that he does not call the media the enemy of the people, or claim the presidency allows him to do whatever he wants, that his opponents ought to be locked up, that accepting foreign election aid is normal and the FBI director is wrong, or put his son-in-law in governemnt, allow said son-in-law to extort Qatar to buy a scyscraper from him, or claim that the other party is into killing new born babies, ot that his opponent is anti-God, or that elections he loses are definitely rigged, that someone needs to do something against that and that he loves the people who try to kill his VP, that you can cut off approved military aid unless that country produces dirt against his oppnoents, or that he fell in love with a brutal dictator, or that Putin is to believed over his own intelligence, or that his opponents are MS13-lovers, or that corona will magically disappear, or that hydroxychloroquine is a legit treatment, or that medical staffers steal masks, or that investigating him or his buddies is treason, or that he likes QAnon for liking him.... and so on and so on.
Which you kinda dismiss of being "clownish", but which is actually extremism, propaganda and dangerous lies. I strongly advocate not to tie Bernie Sanders to all that.
Bear in mind, when I'm using "clownish" I'm not using in a way to diminish (I don't view it as extremist > clownish). I just think that's a more accurate way to describe his personality, as are a lot of other words (egomaniac, selfish, phony, blowhard, etc.)
The reality is, if you remove his inability to present himself in a better light (by being more polished, by showing/feigning empathy, by thinking or before speaking) his actual polices and stances are far from extreme as it relates to the party. He's just such an asshole that it presents itself as such.
What we were talking about was how he secured the nomination. Well, for the answer you have to look at the primaries. He spent most of his time attacking the other career politicians in the GOP. Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, Kasich, Rubio, and Carson. Voters decided they wanted an outsider, and someone who wasn't afraid to give their honest opinion.
I don't think that's entirely different than what we saw with the Democrats and Sanders. Sanders represented someone from the outside even though he had years of service. He spoke to a lot of people in his party that differed from the typical bs you hear from the likes of Hillary Clinton ("I keep a bottle of hot sauce in my purse at all times".)
As I'm writing this I'm tiring. I definitely do not want go out of my way to defend Donald Trump, and I releaze that's what this is going to be perceived as, whether I like it or not. Nor do I want to go to bat for the people that stormed the capital, or the idiots who don political swag or make this as "Team ____" or a club.
All I'm trying to do is to get back to my initial point. The majority of Republicans are not Trumpers, or cult members, or anything of the sort. Just like the majority of Democrats aren't Antifa, or want the police abolished.
