03-03-2021, 01:37 PM
(03-03-2021, 01:19 PM)hollodero Wrote: You don't wonder that. You're lying :)
And I'm pretty much with you when it comes to Trump-Hitler comparisons. Trump is deeply flawed, but he shows no tendency to advocate any kind of mass murder, and that would be a very elementary trait for that comparison.
That being said. At times I get the similarites some people mention. There are elements in his rhetoric that make me shiver as well and that imho have a certain Naziesque flavor to them. Calling the media enemy of the people comes to mind, or creating external threats like caravans full of murderous refugees, advocating the imprisonment of perceived enemies or calling them traitors, musing about holding absolute power and how the country can't do without that, the more or less open admiration for authoritarian leaders and how great they are in keeping their people in check. These can, imho, be reasonably seen as fascism-affine words.
There are no deeds to match these words, of course, and that alone makes the comparison to fascist leaders dismissable for sure. That's why I would not make these comparisons in the first place. But they, imho, are not completely absurd on every level.
Not completely absurd if you're making comparisons to far right totalitarianism, no. When comparing them to the Nazis, yes. As I have stated repeatedly, I loathe comparisons to Hitler or the Nazis because they are so intentionally inflammatory and 99.9% of the times utterly flawed. Some "progressive" people here seem not to mind them, which IMO says a lot about them, but to me the comparison better be iron clad to even be voiced.
Quote:Yeah, I don't think they got pitchforked out of here. If they were, that's on them for being plaintive. As I said, I was called many unpleasant things as well, and in my perspective the right-leaning folk are in no way more moderate in that regard than the left-leaning ones. I get that this is probably a point of disagreement.
Eg. when Sanders is called a commie or gets compared to Hugo Chavez, I don't think this holds any more water than any comparison of Trump to Mussolini.
No, they absolutely got bullied out of here. I've been posting in this sub-forum longer than anyone but Bel. Of course there were others who posted here before me, but they have fallen off posting here, and by here I mean the board as a whole. I witnessed the bullying and I saw the expressed intent behind it. I have a job that has basically inured me to this type of abuse. Especially as the people here are rank amateurs in this regard compared to what I've had to deal with in real life. But most people don't have that ability, especially in regards to something that should provide at least a modicum of enjoyment.
Quote:Also, we got you :) but there are some others still, that match the description of right leaning more accurately. Fritz and Mickey and Sunset and then some.
The fact that I could even be considered "conservative" shows you the dearth of actual conservatives here. Sunset limits his posting, correctly IMO, due to being a mod. Fritz, forgive me, is not a great example for reasons I won't get in to. Mickey, sure, but he doesn't post often. Even allowing for all three, you're talking about less than 5% of the regular posters here. Face it, this place was made a hostile environment for right leaning people. One need look no further than our discussions on Hitler and Nazi comparisons to see an example.
