03-04-2021, 06:01 PM
(03-04-2021, 05:50 PM)hollodero Wrote: Alright, I did indeed not have any. Still had an opinion about all that and considered naming names a not so important part.
Why SSF won't name names, I don't know. Might be he can't think of one, might be that he does not want to expose someone.
Also I thought Mickey had left and I would have understood it, for he got things said to him that imho bordered bullying. I had that example to share. But alas, he's back again, so probably he doesn't count.
Well. For one, I often addressed pretty much everyone with my remarks. Most often, it does not apply to Bels, and then some others. I said quite a few times that I do not consider you much of a culprit too.
Admittedly, I have a higher passion to single out people that apparently only consider everyone else the problem when this imho clearly is not so clear cut. Might SSF qualify for that, I don't really think so. I got the impression he does not see himself as perfect beyond doubt either. I'm fine with you disagreeing.
- Also, I must have called statements of SSF hyperbolic a thousand times now. And I already got sucked into (ok, might have been my own fault) into this more specific conversation once, and I don't think I deliberatley omitted SSF or treated him with velvet gloves in any way. And I did not do so here. There's an aspect regarding bullying I just happen to have a similar viewpoint on, or a similar observation on. To a point and not totally, which I think I made clear in roughly a thousand words or so too.
Regarding your ongoing quarrels with him. I have to admit. I usually skip those conversations. They are not really pleasant or entertaining to me. So I just cannot pass judgment one way or another, or who's more at fault for these ongoing escalations. When it was still SFF vs. Dino, I thought it to be roughly a 50/50 split that made neither look particularly good. Told SSF that as well, with specific examples and everything. Sorry for not being able to do so again, I just can't go through these point-by-point altercations that gets produced between you two.
But the overall issue goes beyond you two anyway.
For one, I somewhat agree with the bolded. I don't want to pass blame for that to one person or another, it's just what it appears to be. The core of my post was that it's the overall climate that is to blame.
I sure won't take issue with SSF agreeing with my posts.
Well, one person can't be a mob. Think of it what you will, but he does not gang up and usually acts as a lone wolf. That he's not fond of your posts, or fred's posts, well aside from the merits to me that's not bullying someone out.
I most certainly don't endorse all of his ways to express things. And I said so many times in the past. I mean, I personally can't complain, he never said anything belittling or offensive to me, which is less than happened the other way round. I am not pitch perfect either and don't want to be the referee or put myself beyond all fault in the first place. I sure see him saying stuff that I would deem over the top. I see him getting responses that I deem over the top too. Many conversations and words tend to be lead in an overly dismissive, overly offensive, overly belittling tone, and SSF gets a lot of that thrown at him, but nope he is no saint in that regard either. Didn't feel the need to specifically state that, but apparently you want me to, so there. It's not like this is a secret.
I don't need to pander to anyone, and may not please anyone. Not SSF, not you, or whoever. I could tell him more often when I disagree with his choice of words, sure, but I don't want to do so all the time. Just as I usually would not have wanted to tell you that I feel at times you appear a bit patronizing. You already got each other to tell each other that permanently.
There's pretty much nothing in this post I disagree with. Well stated.
