Politics and Religion

[GMDino]

(03-05-2021, 10:59 AM)hollodero Wrote: Points of clarification. :)

It was not my intention to get someone's support and admiration. I said things I feel are true, SSF agreed with things I said. So yeah, we seem to share a perspective on certain things. Doesn't mean I endorse him over you or anything of that kind. I'm not endorsing anyone, I have my own mind and whether SSF likes or dislikes what I say has nothing to do with it. I gave up aiming for approval a long time ago.

Eg. fred. Yeah, I kinda started it and it was kinda unnecessary. It's not that I feel I'm wrong on that though. And lo and behold, within a short time I was asked to either "apologize or prove he's a liar". This is a typical style I'd call deliberately misinterpreting someone else's posts. I might be particularly upset about that kind of communication I deem destructive and belittling, and I suppose I'm not the only one. It's bfinesque. I can also very well imagine that many, when confronted with that, either react visibly angry or with being outta here. Imho, a lot of hostility stems from that, albeit it finds continuations that go way beyond it.

Eg. SSF. Again, I don't see him as flawless (same goes for myself), for one he's a Steelers fan and allegedly sociopathic... but yeah I also feel he takes many things one step too far, and that includes these everlasting quarrels with Dino or with you. I don't think it serves conversations best to accuse someone of faux intellectualism etc. and I get why this is seen as derogatory. I just don't have that much of a personal problem with that, my mind apparently strips that away, and as far as I can tell he also usually has a point to make beyond that. By that I am not intending to put out an objective ranking of who's better and worse than anyone else. It's just me not being so annoyed abouth that, for whatever reason..
With SSF vs. Dino. I can understand how it's enraging when being told again and again how he's part of the right-wing echo chamber and parrots Tucker and whatnot. Which kind is Dino's oft-used go-to move. I get angry when people tell me that my opinions are rooted in being brainwashed by CNN too. Or he accuses SSF of defending Trump, of secretly supporting Trump, all kinds of things that are demonstrably not so. That SSF further escalates things as well, yeah, that is/was true and I said so many times in the past, and I said so here.

Eg. you. I did not say you reap what you sow (said that to fred, where I believe it applies). I do see though that you take issue in me not blaming SSF significantly more than anyone else. And ok, that is your take on things. I'm not delving too deep into your conversations to claim one way or another (I even tried yesterday, but with cross-references to yet another older thread I stopped again), so I can't tell you what you want. Whenever there's an ongoing spat, there's an element of taking baits though. You could very well just leave him be if you so please. Imho, as you indicated your style is to explain things, and if someone has a different take, you feel the need to further explain yourself, to add more points, as in "if you don't agree with me, I need to make myself clearer". I do not complain about that, I am the exact same kind of person. And get perceived as arrogant at times for being that kind of person. I mind fred's style more than SSF's style and yours probably the least of the bunch. But others might just feel different, and that's fine. You're definitely right that you don't outright offend people or call them names, and this is more than I can say about others. You deserve recognition for that imho, and I give it to you. Case in point, you're a bit angry with me and yet none of your words are irreverent.

What I will say though, in the end, I feel there's a general tendency of not taking issue with one of your own. Eg. the way you perceive Dino vs SSF, to me, seems in some part rooted in the fact that you usually agree with Dino on the issues. Which can lead to a tendency to blame the person you don't agree with more, or even exclusively. And there I have another perspective, not because I force myself into neutrality, but because I'm not an American and imho not so deeply captured by a certain "us vs. them" mentality that is pretty prevalent in the US and its people. I might see that incorrectly for sure, but it's what I believe to observe quite some time.
I will add that this sure goes both ways. Non-liberals usually don't take issue with other non-liberals either, including when there's talk about stolen elections or FBI treason or how Michelle Obama was a *****. I do see SSF's point that it's only you liberals as very shaky, and this also is something I did express. He doesn't take issue with me saying so. Why such things are different when you say that, well I don't quite know. It's not because I'm inherently better, that's for sure. It's probably because I'm an exotic bird.

Point of order:  The bold is Fred's go to...not mine.  I have accused SSF of never admitting he is wrong and that he seems to be an expert of so many subjects its a wonder he has time for the message board...  ...and he believes I am a cop hater, which I am not. 


My only other thing to add is that with SSF or anyone that I might disagree with all I ask is you show your sources and provide links.  Opinions are great, personal experience is wonderful, facts and data are better.