03-07-2021, 01:12 PM
(03-07-2021, 12:35 PM)hollodero Wrote: In distinct politenenss, but: Oh, come onI mean, I apparently talk about United States citizens having no vote in elections for United states president, and no representation in the United States legislative body.
I note your counterpoint of them having a governor and a local governement with a certain amount of power that they can vote for. But imho, that is not the issue at hand. At all.
And I doubt this would fly with any other state. Realism aside. If the US say took Wyoming out of the EC and sent their representatives in Congress home. Claiming now come on you people, you don't really pay much federal tax anyway, look at that number it's more of an embarrassment really... and we rather govern the US without you to be frank. - What are you people complaining about? You can still vote for your governor, for your mayors, for dogcatcher, for teacher of the year... so don't make a fuzz about being stripped of your fundamental rights as a citizen. You're still citizens, we'd just rather don't have your input on how to run this country.
Would you accept that?
I mean, to br frank, that is an absolutely terrible comparison (Puerto Rico vs. Wyoming).
Again, Puerto Rico has wanted autonomy for quite some time. They've resisted statehood in the past. They literally fought for independence through a series of uprisings and political maneuvers during Spanish rule. This desire for autonomy didn't just end with the Spanish-American war.
Not only do they have their own Governor, they have their own Senate and House of Representatives. They even have their own Supreme Court.
Honestly, I don't want to delve into this too deeply, because frankly it's not my place. I'm not Puerto Rican, and my knowledge is based on a very light amount amount of reading, with zero experience. But I really do think this conversation is much complicated than most think. It can't be simpified down to a lot of the talking points seen thus far in this thread.
All this said, to answer your question, would a US state take this deal? I think Texas would very much consider it. No federal income tax, and the ability to elect their own government? All while being backed by the strength of the US military, with each resident retaining citizenship, and access to Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, SNAP, and FEMA aid? Yeah, I think they would have to think long and hard about that. I'm sure other states might as well.
All I'm saying, is there is a very good reason those polls you see are split down the middle. If it was as simple as taxation without representation, and the inability to vote in a Chief of State then it'd be 95%+ in favor. I'd suggest we find an actual Purto Rican to contribute to this thread before speculated about how much it makes sense for them.
