03-14-2021, 02:13 PM
(03-13-2021, 10:26 PM)Dill Wrote: You did say I would resort to hyperbole--"Nazis and bloody murder"--if the Republicans were doing what the Dems. I was responding to dispute this:
Ok, let's see then.
Quote:I am saying the GOP IS "doing this" and not the Dems. They are doing exactly that for which you say I would be "comparing them to Nazis or screaming bloody murder." But of course, I have not made that comparison; you are the only one talking about "Nazis." i.e., talking about something that hasn't happened.
Except they are not "doing this". You haven't even cited one example.
Quote:Dems complain when "things don't go their way" when the "things" happen to involve violations of legal and constitutional principles and norms. As when a Republican minority blocks legislation which would pass with a simple majority vote, or as when Trump refused to acknowledge he had lost an election and tried to block the peaceful transfer of power. Yes, the Dems "complain" when rules and norms are flouted.
You said "rules and norms" as if they are the same thing. They are not. You have shown that norms were fouted. You've shown absolutely nothing in which rules were.
Quote:No, definitely NOT saying "both sides do it." I am saying your description of the Democrats here fits the Republicans, not the Democrats. I agree Republican abuses should not "excuse" Dem abuses. I am just disagreeing with your characterization of Dems as somehow the party of "abuses" and "orthodoxy" and all that. Like Dems are the party of power grab, not the party whose president tried to block a peaceful and legal transfer of power, and whose Senators then let him off scot free, for a second time in one year, because their Senators fearfully fell in line.
Dear god, using the Capitol riots as an example of GOP party orthodoxy is inane. Did some within the party excuse or even prop it up? Yup. Much like many Dem politicians excused and propped up the violent riots that occurred for much of last year (and this weekend).
Quote:While I have listed many GOP "abuses," you really haven't come up with one for the Dems--except they are changing a "rule" you haven't really specified, and which might re-aligning current Senate practice with its Constitutional origins.
I haven't specified? I literally cited three or four examples. This is why trying to engage with you is tiresome.
Quote:You seem to think blocking a supreme court nominee a year away from election on the grounds we need to wait for the voters to speak, and then pushing one forward the month before an election because the people have spoken, is not a "power grab" because it isn't "changing rules."
A power grab, sure. But one within the rules. Changing the rules to enact your power grab is a whole different animal.
Quote:So I am not clear on what really counts as a power grab for you, as Republicans seem exempt from the charge regardless of their behavior. Can you specify the rule change you think is a power grab, and explain how it contravenes Constitutional principle? Don't discuss motives; explain the principle.
Quite simply, no, I am not going to explain the point again so you can then tap dance around it, again. It's in this thread, find it or don't. In the meantime I'll enjoy your latest example of "I'm blind to excesses by people I agree with". It's not even a trope anymore, it's objective fact.
