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(10-30-2017, 05:05 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I've never understood some of these anti-Gruden arguments.

1. Dungy didn't build that Bucs team. Sam Wyche did. It was Wyche that drafted Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, John Lynch and Chidi Ahanotu...staples of the defense.

2. Gruden didn't really inherit an improving offense. The Bucs were 26th in total offense in 2001 and scored only 9 points in their playoff game that year. They had no QB (Shaun King wasn't the answer). Gruden landed them a QB (Brad Johnson) and while they didn't improve much in regular season (24th in yards), they averaged 35.3 points on their SuperBowl run.

3. People for some reason forget that Gruden was very successful in Oakland, going to an AFC title game and losing to the Pats the following year thanks to the dumb tuck rule. They were considered SB contenders. He turned Rich Gannon from an unheralded backup into an MVP candidate. 

4. If Gruden doesn't get credit for the championship with "Dungy's team", why does Dungy always get credit for winning one with the Colts? Didn't Dungy inherit Peyton Manning? Do we give Gruden SB credit for the Raiders making it there after he left?
 
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Bottom line is Dungy went 2-4 in the playoffs with that great defense, averaging 9.8 PPG in those games. They clearly needed an offensive mind to change that around. Gruden was able to get 48 points in the SuperBowl, when Dungy only got 59 points in all 6 of his playoff games combined.



Well he is hovering around .500. I'd still take him though, and he now has experience working for 2 dumb owners.

I thought it was widely known that Jon Gruden was a big factor in taking that Bucs team to the SB because of how much he influenced that offense.
Prior to Jon Gruden, that offense was rather stagnant.