AD better deep ball than u think

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(04-07-2018, 02:28 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: Who cares if there facts, they are just stats with very little context unless you figure out who each qb had as weapons to throw the ball too. Its not being salty, it's calling out a completely nonsense statement comparing Dalton to Brady which most fans would consider clownish. To even make that comparison is a joke. 

Wer'e talking about DEEP THREATS! Since when is Gronk a deep threat like AJ Green?? Like I stated, the only time Brady had a wide receiver comparable to AJ green was in 07 when he had a prime Randy Moss, and he put up insane numbers that Dalton has never come close to putting up. 50 TD's and 8 INTS. Moss had 23 TD's

If he had his best year when AJ Green missed 7 games, how many of those completion were to AJ Green? Show some details to back up that argument. I'll bet 70% of those completions went to the play maker AJ Green.

The joke is trying to twist it as if I were saying Dalton = Brady as a QB. I know how this works though. If I bring up the best QB's to show that Dalton is hanging with them in the deep ball department, you claim it's ridiculous to compare Dalton to Brady/Ben/Rodgers, etc. But if I bring up some average or trash QB's for comparison, you'd say that Dalton should be better than those guys. Kinda silly, don't ya think? 

Btw, Dalton completed 9 passes exceeding 30+ yards to WR's and TE's not named AJ Green in 2016. This included:

86 yarder to Brandon LaFell
71 yarder to Tyler Eifert
54 yarder to CJ Uzomah
50 yarder to Cody Core
49 yarder to Brandon LaFell
44 yarder to Brandon LaFell
44 yarder to Brandon LaFell
31 yarder to Cody Core
30 yarder to Tyler Boyd

(04-07-2018, 08:36 PM)PDub80 Wrote: Paltering: Using facts to deceive. Just because something is true, doesn't make it accurate.

The stats you put forth are for throws 20+ yards. 20 - 30 yards are considered intermediate/medium throws. I provided a link where Andy was the worst in the NFL at 31+

Funny thing is, I was hesitant to include the 21-30 yard category, because I know after years of doing these little debates that Dalton kinda sucks in that range. He actually shines much brighter from 31+. I was trying to be fair, not deceptive. But I'll go ahead and redo my original post with just the throws of 31+ yards:

Dalton

55 of 158 (34.8%) - See, the percentage actually went UP. 
2599 yards
20 TDs
8 INTs
101.7 rating - Here it went way up. 

Brady

32 of 142 (22.5%) 
1542 yards
9 TDs
9 INTs
67.0 rating 

Yikes. Brady's stats got a whole hell of a lot worse when we switch it up to just 31+ yard throws. His bread and butter was actually deep mid-range (21-30), so removing that helps Dalton and hurts Brady big time.

Ben

58 of 213 (27.2%)
2793 yards
25 TDs
16 INT's (double Andy's INT's)
87.0 rating

Not only has Ben been less successful on 31+ yard throws, he's also been much more prone to throwing picks.

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Sheesh. This kinda backfired on ya, didn't it Pdub? 

I never clicked your link because - to be frank - I've spent way too much time debating this stuff through the years, and I have almost every argument, angle and stat almost memorized. I don't need to click a link. I know Dalton's deep ball stats have actually been on the better end of NFL QB's over the course of his career. 

Now if you want to bash him, you should probably look at the mid-range throws that require Dalton to really sling it in there on a rope. He's struggled a bit at that 21-30 range that you claimed he was better at. He actually has a career 66.0 rating in that range. Yikes.

Again, I use ESPN splits to collect these stats. I can go year by year if anyone wants to see it.