Autonomous Vehicles

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(04-19-2018, 01:01 PM)Hoofhearted Wrote: I can guarantee you, if it's connected to the internet, it can be hacked. Outside of controlling someone else's car, but knowing everything they do while also doing much more vague attacks like DDOS. They'll also know almost everything about you; SSN, where you work, what time you leave, where you stop for lunch, etc. Electrical and gas systems are generally not connected to a network. There's parts of the system that are accessible by the outside world, but the major functions are isolated from the internet.  You have to be actually on prem to do this. Hacking into jets is almost impossible because it does not have an internet connection. I am not sure they can do this with autonomous vehicles. They'd almost certainly need a way to spread information about traffic patterns, behaviors, etc, etc. 

Okay so there are a lot of things wrong here and I'll try to work through them each.

If something is connected to the internet there is a chance someone can connect, however a chance can be similar to a chance we get hit by an asteroid. There are plenty of ways to basically segment and secure systems through both practice and technology to make it nearly impossible, but as I said there is always a chance (like us getting wiped out by an asteroid). A lot of the things we hear about now are stealing of data not remotely driving commands which is much tougher to do. Stealing of data is often the result of laziness in following proper security standards and something that is easily avoidable when following these standards.

Knowing what is going on inside is already happening via phones and other devices, so an idea it is some great rrealization is kind of funny.

A DDOS attack wouldn't be applicable here because what a DDOS is doing is trying to disrupt a connection. If someone is trying to use a connection to gain access, why would they DDOS you and kill said connection? As a side they are highly inefficient for a single server let along millions of cars. This is really a non starter in this realm.

See my comment on cell phones already, a car is no more susceptible than what you already carry everywhere you go.

 Electrical and gas systems are in fact connected to systems that are connected to a network it's how things get routed during emergencies and such. Even if it is simply a computer on a network that has access to said system they are not segmented out nearly well enough to be considered a stand alone network. 

The jets thing is actually false as well, DHS did this in a test. It was a remote non cooperative penetration of their systems. It did not effect flight controls because of system segmentation. Cars would be designed in a similar fashion quarantining the most important controls away.

Most the Cars already do all the computing right now on board because it is simply more feasible due to the basic fact that there are dead spots around the country. Requiring a connection for anything of importance is defeated when you figure out the company still has massive dead zones. If this was the idea you were working under I can see your concern more, but almost all the top autonomous cars use self contained sensor systems to drive without the need for a connection.