The Statues

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(07-14-2020, 09:39 AM)fredtoast Wrote: yeah, right.  That makes all the difference in the world.  If that ex slave could just count to four he would be thrilled with that statue




The direction of his gaze does not change the factc that he is kneeling.  And I was not commenting on "white guilt".  I was commenting on your ignorance of how and ex-slave would feel about this stautue.  I would say the exact same thing if you were to claim that a statue to honor sexual assault survivors was not offensive because it portrayed the rape vitim bent over a stool with blood running from his anus but he was pulling up his underwear because the rape was over.  You can't speak for sexual assault victims any more than you can tell ex-slaves what is offensive to them.  It is not about "race" it is about "ignorance".

Kneeling on the ground is NOT a symbol of freedom.  This is a symbol of freedom



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Why in the world would anyone think that a symbol of freedom should be kneeling on the ground?

Of course the gaze matters. I guarantee without question, 100% that if he had his head bowed you'd suggest the direction matters. You can say no, but understand no one will believe you.

There's also a difference between being on all 4s opposed to a stance where a man is beginning to rise aka emancipate himself. Once again you can say you wouldn't use the fact that he were on all 4s as proof to dispute it as an indicator he's rising, but understand no one will believe you.

If it wasn't about race, why mention it so many times? You c an say it wasn't about white guilt, but wait for it....no one is going to believe you. Any American ex-slave alive today is free to educate me on what's it's like to be a slave. But using one man's comments over 100 years ago about "we must do better" as a view for all ex-slaves is minimizing ex-slave IMO. If I can find a quote about a black person who supports the statute can we say all blacks support it?

The thing is no one made you or anyone else Statue police who decides what is and is not offensive. Something about beauty in the eye of the beholder