08-31-2021, 11:44 PM
(08-31-2021, 06:45 PM)bengaloo Wrote: Lol. I love you too
Well I dont recall ever suggesting immunity from anyone who wasnt infected previously. That wouldnt even make sense. I'm only specifically talking about people who have had covid already and recovered, and how they should have antibodies and protection from another infection based on history. I didnt make any of this stuff up myself though, it actually comes from me being concerned about covid, and delta, and paying attention to what people around the world are discovering with zero bias. There is new data and statistics coming out every single day as this unfolds. I will post a few links and you can tell these doctors what they are pimpin, because I'm only pimpin keeping an open mind, and of course hoping things get better. Honestly if it turns out that natural immunity for the previously infected is better than the vaccines for the previously infected, than this is really super good news and everyone should be very happy about it! Right?
Which means you’re comparing re-infections to first infections.
And what about the people who didn’t recover? How’s their protection for re-infection? What about their protection against hospitalizations?
One thing is for certain, 100% of the re-infection group had Covid at least one time more than the vaccine group 100% of the time.
Quote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-makary-says-natural-immunity-is-more-effective-then-vaccine-immunity/ar-AAMX3sM
Compares re-infections to first infections.
Your source even tweeted, “Same take-home message though: If you're not immune, get immune by getting vaxed.” Meaning if you haven’t already had Covid get vaccinated so hopefully you won’t get it the first time.
Quote:https://news.yahoo.com/study-says-natural-immunity-may-033228548.html
That compares re-infections to first infections.
Quote:A raw study of natural immunity vs vaccine induced immunity data included:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf
Compares re-infections to first infections. Your source also stated, “Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.” A finding you have repeatedly disputed, yet all your sources contradict your statements.
Which means if you have two groups who have both previously had Covid and you vaccinate one group; the vaccine group has better immunity.
Just like if you had two groups who had never had Covid and you vaccinate one group, the vaccine group has better immunity.
Quote:Oh and how is Sweden fairing through Delta? They didnt lock down, mask mandate or anything and took the "herd immunity" approach from the start of the entire pandemic.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/3405414/mask-free-sweden-zero-daily-covid-deaths-delta/
Let’s check your source: “So far, Denmark has recorded 2,550, Finland 982, Norway 799 - a far cry from Sweden's 14,620 recorded deaths.”
Sweden has had percent increase of 473% more Covid deaths than Denmark, 1,389% more deaths than Finland, and 1,730% than Norway.
How does that sound to you? It sounds like Sweden is doing almost as badly as you.
Quote:So I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm not handing out any misinformation on immunity and vaccines. I'm simply stating that we dont really know yet and should keep an open mind on all sides as this unfolds. And of course that there is evidence coming out around the globe of natural immunity for the previously infected. We can do this all day long, but I can tell that you are very emotional about all this. So respectfully, I will bow out now and give you the moral victory. You are the champ, and I lose!
You are comparing the chance of getting Covid a second time to getting Covid a first time which is exactly the type of misinformation I would expect from someone who doesn’t know the difference between an antibody and an antigen. You don’t even know enough to know better.
