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(06-30-2022, 12:47 PM)Whatever Wrote: You realize OBJ had a higher Catch %(80.8%) and Yards per Target(11.08) than Higgins(60%/10.3) and Boyd(75%/5.5) in the playoffs, right?  It's accurate to say the only reason Tee had more yards than OBJ is he had more targets and totally incorrect to argue that the only reason OBJ had more yards than Boyd.  If Boyd had gotten OBJ's targets, he'd still be at less than half OBJ's yardage.  Bottom line, OBJ was more productive than Higgins and Boyd last year in the playoffs with his targets.  

As far as regular season stats go, I really couldn't care less in regards to this discussion.  OBJ will miss most of the regular season, anyways.  This is a move you make to try and put us over the top in the playoffs, not the regular season.  I wouldn't care if they say OBJ the entire regular season and busted him out for the playoffs.

I would expect Tee to be the primary WR2, but that can change based on matchups.  We know Tee suffered damage to his labrum when he dislocated his shoulder early in the year.  We don't know the extent of that damage and to what extent it may have hampered him.  It's highly unlikely that it was a complete tear given that he was able to continue playing at a high level.  It seems more likely it was a partial and could simply be a situation where he either reaggravated it in the playoffs or it wasn't responding like they wanted to PT.  Some go over the top on this and act like he was a one armed man out there and it isn't the case.  However, keep in mind that there is a very high risk of reinjury with shoulder injuries like this and Higgins will be eligible for an extension next off-season.  If he suffers any kind of injury where surgery may be necessary, he has a business decision to make and that needs to be in the back of people's heads when talking WR depth 

One really eye opening thing about this discussion is just how bad Tyler Boyd was in the playoffs.  110 yards on 20 targets is brutally bad.  He got a little crap on here for his drop in the SB and his inability to make a block on what would have been a Chase TD, but he sucked all postseason.  A healthy OBJ would definitely beat out Boyd as a WR3 for the playoffs.  Boyd has returned punts in the past, so he could get some touches there.

The other thing people are overlooking is OBJ can play outside or in the slot.  Boyd is only effective in the slot.  Having that flexibility means you can move Chase and Tee into the slot to potentially take advantage of matchups while being able to have a viable threat on the outside.  

We can talk about OBJ's personality all we want.  Bottom line is, he's got a ring and we don't.  He knows the WR situation here.  If he still wants to come here, then he's certainly accepted that he won't be the WR1 and there's going to be competition for targets.  He's also likely on a one year deal and wouldn't gain anything from trying to force his way out.  Another reality is that if we pass on him, he may very well be lined up against us in the playoffs and the guy had a pretty big part in the Rams beating us last year.

And every time you keep going back to a sample size of 4 games while ignoring the multiple years worth before. Cool, he caught 80% in a 4 game span, but he caught 54.7% in a 37 game span prior to that. Which do you think is closer to reality for him going forward?

As far as regular season stats go, you don't care, but that is what will get you to the playoffs. The AFCN was the weakest it has probably ever been last year and the Bengals won the division by 1/2 of a game. Don't be counting your playoff chickens before the regular season eggs have hatched. You need to get there first and without regular season stats, you don't get to play those games. OBJ won't be gone the entire season, and when he comes back, he's going to want snaps and he's going to want serious targets. If he doesn't get those, he'll be a problem and a distraction.

Bottom line, a lot of guys have a ring that the Bengals don't have but aren't a good addition. Rapistburger has two rings, doesn't mean we want to add him. Antonio Brown has a ring, doesn't mean we want to add him. 

You said "people are overlooking" but I literally said that Boyd fills a different role in the post that you quoted, then you proceeded to tell me that while also saying he would beat out Boyd. OBJ and Boyd aren't competing for snaps, OBJ would be competing with Chase and Higgins on the outside and he loses both of those battles in skill, production, and personality. You can't just randomly move Chase or Higgins into the slot and expect them to be the same players there.

You say he "knows the WR situation here" but his ego might honestly believe that he'll just be the big dog when he comes here, which is just not happening. We saw it with the Rams last year when Desean Jackson forced his way off the Rams due to lack of targets despite knowing the WR situation when he came there. Divas gonna diva.

Your plan involves moving a great outside WR into the slot where he may or may not be good, and then making a great slot receiver a punt returner, just so you can bring in a 30-year-old with a torn ACL and an iffy personality. That's a stupid plan.