10-31-2023, 06:18 PM
(10-31-2023, 05:56 PM)Dill Wrote: To repeat: Hamas publicized videos of tortured people, perhaps even rape (who knows, we haven't seen them all), to shock and hurt Israelis, likely targeting the families. Seems like they wanted people to "lap that up." But if I understand you, you are saying they were worried about "bad PR" because of the rapes. Wouldn't that mean they DON'T want people to "eagerly lap it up"? Why worry about pr in one case but not the other? That was my question. People "lapping up" bombing story doesn't explain why.
You just said "perhaps even rape" and then went on to make a point that relies on them actually showing the rapes or admitting to them. Then you accuse me of sending "mixed messages". Great job there. I would add a point I am, as usual, having to repeat when talking to you. The actual woman detailing what happened to her is far more impactful than reading that they happened. I have read hundreds of rape reports. I have interviewed a large number of rape victims. Trust me when I say that getting the report directly from the victim is far more impactful and gut wrenching.
Quote:You are allowed to send mixed messages. Yes. But why not just answer the question instead of going off into the weeds policing responses.
This didn't age well.
Quote:When you say: " I'm not your overlord or puppet master. We're all adults with agency, so I expect anyone who responds to do so in the manner of their choosing." It sounds like you are saying how people respond is up to them. You've no interest in controlling that.
No, it's saying I have no agenda as far as eliciting a specific response. My statement was in response to your saying the following
(10-30-2023, 07:33 PM)Dill Wrote: 2. How is it that you want people in this forum to respond?
Seems you might be asking for something more specific than condemnation.
You accused me of having a specific response in mind, I replied that I did not. As usual you then twist the response to mean something different because you're incapable of not doing so.
Quote:When you say: if you want a thread on that topic then kindly start one instead of detracting from the story of women being kidnapped, gang raped and murdered by Hamas, then it sounds like you are playing "overlord," telling me to start my own thread, i.e., you do have an interest in controlling responses.
Oh wait, I must be mistaken. See, when a thread is started about a specific subject and then someone, within said thread tries to steer the discussion off topic that was commonly known as "hijacking" the thread. I seem to remember you complaining about people doing exactly that in the past. But you'd never by hypocritical like that so I must be mistaken.
Quote:If someone were raped in my community and I posted a letter in the local paper asking how people/authorities should respond to it,
no one would think I was "deflecting" or "ignoring" the incident.
Where you asking how Israel should respond to the rapes and the rapes only? Because I got the distinct impression you were asking about how the US and Israel should respond to the Hamas barbarity in general. Maybe you could phrase your queries more precisely?
Quote:You are free to wonder off into WWII analogies,
Citing an example of the type of tactics Hamas engages in is not "wondering off", but you are the king of semantic arguments so I'll leave you to yur fiefdom.
Quote:But I am "deflecting" or "ignoring" Hamas gang rapes
if I ask how you think people/governments should respond to them. Why?
Explained above. Also, I think the current response is appropriate. What do you think the correct response should be? It's interesting that you find ways to quarrel with me in a thread about the horrifying rape of women by Hamas. Dino, to his credit, confined himself to expressing his disgust at their actions. But, for some reason, you felt the need to do otherwise. Why is that?
