Enforcement of the 14th Admendment, Article 3

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(01-07-2024, 10:05 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Being truly for the rule of law and Democracy isn't just when it's convenient or comfortable, but precisely when it's NOT that it's most important hold the line.  

I quite agree with you on this. Where you lose me is in the following.

(01-07-2024, 10:05 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: That people like you conflate believing in a lawful and judicial process is an abhorent "defense of Trump" is precisely why it's so important for the SCOTUS to get this right.  It's not about accountability and never has been - from Day 1 it's been about obstructing and removing Trump from office, so spare me the diatribe about how only one party and their media engage in this.  They both do it, and they continue to do it because people on both sides are all too happy to look the other way when their side does it.

What is "abhorrent" about defenses of Trump is not only that they are defenses of someone who has misused his office to stay in power and hurt "enemies," but also that they gain traction by systematic RWM misrepresentation and organized party partisanship which contest both law and facts via gaslighting and the creation of false, alternative narratives ("Russia, Russia, Russia").  The most recent example would be the threat of Missouri Republicans now to take Biden off the ballot for "insurrection" too. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/missouri-republican-secretary-of-state-biden-trump-ballot-rcna132600. There's your "threat to the judicial process." Trump's attempts to stay in power generate new such threats every month, eroding our legal system from within.

People who have recognized Trump's incompetence, ignorance, vindictiveness and narcissism from the get go have certainly opposed his presidency. 

But referring to that history to explain current prosecutions of Trump just continues one of the most prominent RWM alternative narratives--that dislike of Trump is not really grounded in his criminal actions, but some vague and inexplicable "Trump hate" which has just always been there. 
 
This separates causes from effects, and enables right wing "independents" to generate false equivalences at the level of headlines--Biden "stole" documents too, and weaponized the government too, and soon he'll be impeached too. See, no difference! 

And voila!--the most singular event in the history of the US presidency, buttressed by the most partisan network of newsrooms since the 1930s, is reduced to "both sides do it." 

(01-07-2024, 10:05 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: You should try reading a few of the dissents in the Colorado case, one I'll point out reversed a lower court in a 4-3 vote.  It's not nearly as simple as pronouncing a riot an "insurrection", and then manufacturing connections and plotting where there is none to envoke a 150 year old law that's rarely been used.

"Manufacturing connections and plotting"???  Was it the Dems who created the false lists of electors forced some 40+ Republican officials to sign off on the fraud?  Was it the "weaponized" FBI who pressured Mike Pence to sign off on the false lists? 

You understand that the 150-year-old law has "rarely been used" because no president has ever sought to overturn a legitimate succession to power, right? 
If you get the causes--the FACTS--clearly in sight, then the conspiratorial side of Trump prosecutions disappears. It IS about accountability and always has been.