I Miss Marvin Jones.

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(11-24-2017, 12:17 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: This is true, and your bias against the players (or support of the pinhead coaches) is what is affecting your judgement.  There is a shit ton more evidence of players that end up showing they were capable after either leaving here or once they got their shot here, but had to sit behind poor play.  

I loved Kareem Hunt in college, as a big MAC guy...His first carry, a fumble.  Did his coach bench him?  No?  He went on the set the NFL record for all-purpose yards in a first game.  That is coaching. Ross, sat and lived in the dog house.  At least Ross got 12 yards on his carry before fumbling, which would have made him the #1 rusher in half our games.

I have seen these same players (Dalton, Green, Gio, etc) have Pro-Bowl Caliber performances with a coach like Hue or Gruden.  But now they suck.  Is that the player?  Did they suddenly forget how to play football?  Or does everyone on the other team (I know it, and would imagine they do as well) know what plays are coming from our High School formations right down to the gap  of the rushing attack.  

We will settle this debate if they successfully bring in a coach that doesn't act busy with paperwork (makes me want to puke) and actually knows how to prioritize, teach, and execute a creative game plan. 

When did I ever once defend the coaching?

Keep in mind these pinhead coaches are the same ones scouting and drafting these players. If you don't trust them to coach the player, why are you automatically assuming their scouting is good?

Almost like it isn't an either/or situation like you are fixated on. They can both suck.

Good players have had crappy coaches and still been good. Bad players with bad coaches will still be bad.


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Ross was in the doghouse because he wasn't in shape, didn't know his routes, gave up on plays, AND fumbled.

Hunt only had one of those four.