When Marvin Leaves?

[Bengalholic]

(01-14-2018, 11:32 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Fwiw, I'm not buying the suddenly very popular narrative that Marv was given more control (we had the same narrative going after the Jan 2011 press conference). Like Holic said, we had a bunch of coaches up at once and that made it easy to swap some guys out. Some of these guys left on their own volition (Guenther and possibly Urban, maybe more).

So the HC is the same.
They didn't want to change either of the coordinators.
We brought in what? 3 new position coaches and a couple position assistants?

Sure the guys we hired were pretty high quality. I'm still not buying that this is a power shift and Mikey is going to let Marv run the team. People constantly underestimate Mike and seem to need to create this idea that he's stepping away. It will never happen. He apparently loves Marv like a newborn loves it's binky, and because of that he'll make some concessions every now and then...but don't let it fool you. Mike will never concede full-on control of his team (money).

He will never build a practice facility (something that was supposed to be a sticking point after 2010). He will never push his chips in on free agency. He will always stick his nose in on player decisions when he sees fit to. At 82 years old, I think he is who he is, and any hope for real change is long gone.

The whole 'new power to hire his own coaches' thing that some people continue to put out there is kind of silly, because Marvin has been hiring his own coaches for 15 years. He's also very much like Mike in terms of loyalty. Here are some of the coaches that Marvin brought in or promoted in 2003 and how long they stuck around on his staff:

Ken Zampese - 14+ years on the staff
Paul Alexander - 15 years on the staff 
Jonathan Hayes - Going into 16th year 
Jay Hayes - 14 years on the staff 
Kevin Coyle - 11 years on staff 
Darrin Simmons - Going into 16th year
Chip Morton - 15 years on staff
Louie Cioffi - 8 years on staff
Bob Surace - 7 years on staff

There were two coaches retained in 2003 that I think Mike did force Marvin to keep, and that as Bob Bratowski (8 years on Marvn's staff) and Jim Anderson (10 years on Marvin's staff). 

I think Marvin has the same exact control over the staff that he's had few the last few years.

With free agency, it's hard to say. Mike obviously isn't a fan of free agency in general, and Marvin has always sounded pretty conservative when it comes to his thoughts about signing guys. I think we might see something similar to 2012, when they were pretty active.

For me though, I think the bigger point is that Marvin needs to fix he own issues. He's had 15 years on the job and he's still having many of the same issues he's had for years as far as coaching. I just honestly haven't seen any signs over these past few years that he has evolved as a coach.