01-19-2018, 01:45 PM
(01-18-2018, 08:25 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I think the Bears take a lack of a QB to a new level. You have to figure the best QB's they've rolled out in the 70 years post Sid Luckman include:
Jay Cutler
Erik Kramer (probably more notable for winning the only Lion's playoff game in 60 years)
Jim Harbaugh
Jim McMahon
George Blanda....maybe?
What about the Jets? These are their leading passers since 1984:
Ryan Fitpatrick
Geno Smith
Mark Sanchez
Injured Brett Favre for 1 year
I guess Chad Pennington was good despite limitations...when the dude wasn't on I.R.
Brooks Bollinger
Vinny Testaverde had one great year and 2 bad years in 3 full seasons
Ray Lucas
Boomer Esiason - who mostly sucked as a Jet
Browning Nagle
Ken O'Brien - the worst of the "legendary QB class of 1984"
They really haven't been all settled at QB since Broadway Joe.
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Bills since 2005 (when Bledsoe left)
Tyrod Taylor
Kyle Orton
EJ Manuel
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Trent Edwards
Kelly Holcomb
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Since Elway left Denver as QB:
Trevor Simien
Peyton Manning rental
Tim Tebow
Kyle Orton
Jay Cutler
Jake Plummer
Brian Griese
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Since Brunell left Jax:
Bort Bortles (as you would say)
Chad Henne
Blaine Gabbert
David Garrard
Byron Leftwich
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I'm not going to bother listing every name on the Browns QB jersey.
Sure you might feel some of these teams aren't quite as bad off as the Bears, but they're definitely QB starved.
(01-19-2018, 01:29 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Not going to get into comparing stats and such, but I’ll say if they’re that close I’ll take Palmer over Andy because I think he made throws Andy couldn’t, and was better at standing in the pocket and making plays (he kind of had to due to being a statue). I think Palmer would have had even more success than Andy if he had some of those better defenses.
I respect someone taking Palmer over Dalton. Just don't respect when people act like it's not even close or something. If you look at the stats and compare them to their peers, they performed on a similar level. Sure, Palmer could hit a few throws that Dalton couldn't. Dalton is also smarter with the football and less prone to turnovers. I have them about equal.
The training, nutrition, medicine, fitness, playbooks and rules evolve. The athlete does not.
