Why your team sucks

[JS-Steelerfan]

(08-17-2015, 11:28 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Renaming them to avoid a lawsuit and starting an entirely new franchise are two different things!!

It's not as cut-and-dry as that:  The Ravens are a franchise of their own that was started off the Browns franchise.  They'd still be the Browns if Modell had his way, but he agreed to change the name as part of the settlement.  Everything about the Ravens stems from their history as the Browns, but nothing about the new Browns is a continuation of the old Browns, aside from name, uniform, and location, so, yes, you're full of shit.

He moved the entire franchise, but left the history, name, and location in Cleveland, so Cleveland had to start a new team.  

The franchise that left is the one that won the titles, they just didn't take the titles with them.  That's a fact.  Please try and refute it.

I have already refuted it.  Several times.  

Again, you fail to grasp the difference between the team of people and the franchise.  They are not the same thing.  Let's try one more illustration to see if you can grasp it.  

If the McDonald's Corporation did not like the way that a particular owner was running one of their stores, it would be within their power to revoke that franchise from the owner,  fire the staff, and replace everybody.   The new staff and owner would now be a McDonald's, while the old staff and owner would cease to be McDonald's.   The new owner could take his old staff and create a new franchise - let's say Wendy's.  So the old group, while once McDonald's, is now Wendy's.  That is because - and this is the point you fail to grasp -  the franchise and the group of people who run it (even the owner!) are not synonymous.  The people (again, even the owners)  are granted the franchise by a larger corporate entity.  They are not the franchise itself, and the larger corporate entity always has the right to take the franchise back.  That's the way franchise works.  

So in this illustration, the NFL is the McDonald's  Corporation, Modell is the owner, the players and coaches are the staff, and the Browns are the store/franchise.  The circumstances behind the switch are different (mutual agreement rather than dissatisfaction), but the dynamic is the same.  One group of people are removed from the franchise and eventually replaced by another.  

Perhaps saying it out loud might help.  Repeat after me: the franchise and the people who run it are not the same thing.   The franchise and the people who run it are not the same thing.  The franchise and the people who run it are not the same thing.

Got it?  

So, here's the deal: Modell agreed to start a new franchise.  He didn't just agree to change the name.  He agreed to stop being the owner of the Browns (McDonald's) and start being the owner of the Ravens (Wendy's), and he took his 'staff' with him.  They had negotiations.  Signed contracts.  The whole works.  You can't just say 'Well, he only agreed to change the name', because that's not what happened! He willfully surrendered McDonald's and took on Wendy's.

The group of people he took with him did, at one time, work for the franchise that won those championships.  That is the only connection they had because none of them had any personal role in that history - it happened before most of them were born!!   And when they became the Ravens, they stopped working for the organization that had won those championships. Simple as that. That's because (let's say it together again one more time): the franchise and the people who run it are not the same thing.