Autonomous Vehicles

[Hoofhearted]

(04-19-2018, 01:14 PM)Au165 Wrote: Okay so there are a lot of things wrong here and I'll try to work through them each.

If something is connected to the internet there is a chance someone can connect, however a chance can be similar to a chance we get hit by an asteroid. There are plenty of ways to basically segment and secure systems through both practice and technology to make it nearly impossible, but as I said there is always a chance (like us getting wiped out by an asteroid). A lot of the things we hear about now are stealing of data not remotely driving commands which is much tougher to do. Stealing of data is often the result of laziness in following proper security standards and something that is easily avoidable when following these standards.

Knowing what is going on inside is already happening via phones and other devices, so an idea it is some great rrealization is kind of funny.

A DDOS attack wouldn't be applicable here because what a DDOS is doing is trying to disrupt a connection. If someone is trying to use a connection to gain access, why would they DDOS you and kill said connection? As a side they are highly inefficient for a single server let along millions of cars. This is really a non starter in this realm.

See my comment on cell phones already, a car is no more susceptible than what you already carry everywhere you go.

 Electrical and gas systems are in fact connected to systems that are connected to a network it's how things get routed during emergencies and such. Even if it is simply a computer on a network that has access to said system they are not segmented out nearly well enough to be considered a stand alone network. 

The jets thing is actually false as well, DHS did this in a test. It was a remote non cooperative penetration of their systems. It did not effect flight controls because of system segmentation. Cars would be designed in a similar fashion quarantining the most important controls away.

Most the Cars already do all the computing right now on board because it is simply more feasible due to the basic fact that there are dead spots around the country. Requiring a connection for anything of importance is defeated when you figure out the company still has massive dead zones. If this was the idea you were working under I can see your concern more, but almost all the top autonomous cars use self contained sensor systems to drive without the need for a connection.

People, companies and systems are hacked every single day. Every. Single. Day. I don't know how you can say that's equivalent to our chances of getting hit by an asteroid. A DDOS is most certainly a form of hacking. Hacking comes in many, many flavors (Phishing, Trojans, Eavesdropping, DDOS). You don't actually have to "break into a computer" to hack it. 

And yeah, I would imagine they could come up with a way to segment the core components of the vehicles, but doesn't mean that it can't be hacked at all. There has to be a way to update the vehicles code, and I highly doubt they'll want millions of cars coming into said dealers just to update it.