Bad Boys II

[GMDino]

(06-26-2020, 06:15 AM)Dill Wrote: Indeed I am the one who brought up the IDF, in part as a counter to your claim that no one who "knows guns" would ever tell anyone to shoot for anything but "center mass." Yet there is the IDF calling leg shots.  My "paragon of constraint" was policing in the UK.

And no, you have not explained why rifle shots are only "slightly" less lethal.  You just reported what everyone already knows about greater shock to flesh from a rifle slug.  Then CLAIMED thigh shots were therefore only "slightly" less lethal than torso shots. 

To point out why your report-on-what-everyone-already-knows is inadequate is not to ignore it.  And it is inadequate on at least two counts:

1) As already stated, it is easier to apply tourniquets to extremities than the torso. And there are no vital organs in them. That is why soldiers often survive severe wounds to the extremities--even legs sheered off at the thigh breaking the bone and severing ALL arteries and veins. But they never survive a torso sheered in half. So its hard to understand how anyone would define "slightly less" here, or even see a (legitimate) reason to make such a claim and then double down on it with everything including personal attack and anything but data.

2) Data constructing a ratio might make your case, but you don't seem to have it, or don't know how to get it an use to replace your impression.

You have had ample opportunity to meet these objections without merely repeating claims under question, attacking strawmen, and lapsing into crude, nervous discharge.  

I'm sorry Dill.  I dared say I don't know something but that I wouldn't write off someone else as obtuse simply for providing alternative sources and references.  Naturally that drags you into the "fart smeller" stage of debate with him.

I would like to remind everyone that this particular thread was started to discuss those few bad apples and how they rarely are held accountable and often the systems that created the situation are never addressed let alone changed.

While I am fascinated with the back and forth about gun play and the proper way to shoot people I'd personally rather it be in another thread before people who "know" get it shut down because they won't share anything other than personal experiences and insults.

I have driven a car for 35 years...I don't know as much about them as an engineer or professional driver.  If I was an an officer for 35 years I would have lots of personal experiences and training over that time but I would not know as much as other people.  And it's that desire to keep learning and keep getting better that I think some people lack once they get convinced they "know" better than everyone else.