06-30-2020, 02:30 PM
(06-30-2020, 12:08 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: This is reductio ad bothsideum at work, fellas.
You missed the important part of the post: that this is something that has been happening for a long time and, unfortunately, has to be expected if you enter into politics or put yourself in the public eye.
(06-30-2020, 12:08 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I don't give a shit if both sides do it, or how long they've done it, neither should. Unless a minor puts themselves into politics/public forum by their own choice, they should be off limits and your home should be a place of safety. Period. Regardless of your job.
I would agree with your sentiment. The point I was making was that Dino was (correctly) pointing out that it is something you have to expect when you enter into the public eye.
(06-30-2020, 12:08 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Bels, I am sure you'd be fine with protests in front of homes until it goes in front of your home and your neighbors start to hate you, your HOA (or apartment building) kicks you out, and you find yourself being forced to move every time the protesters find your new address or until you cave to whatever the protests demands are (until a different group of protesters from the opposite side then protest THAT decision).
If a group of protesters wanted to set up outside my home, they are more than welcome to. I live on a cul-de-sac and they could do it quite safely, actually. My address is a matter of public record as an appointed official for my city of residence, as well. If people don't like decisions I make in that role, they could certainly come and protest outside my home. Granted, there is no HOA here (because people who deal with those are suckers) and my neighbors can gripe, but I don't like most of them, so whatever.
(06-30-2020, 12:08 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I'm also sure that both of you will be just as casual and accepting of the shitty nature of people protesting outside homes if sometime in the future there's some news story with photos of a couple hundred angry white people in MAGA hats (or the douchiest of assholes in polo shirts holding tiki torches) start surrounding the private homes of minority politicians. "As long as it's public property, I don't care." - Definitely not Bels at that time.
As long as they are on public property and not a threat to public safety, I would still not care. Just like I wouldn't have cared when they did that over at UVA if they hadn't attacked peaceful counter-protesters.
(06-30-2020, 12:08 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: A private home is not a place for protest, and children should be left out of politics unless they themselves join in first. The end.
Agreed, but the Constitution allows for peaceable assembly and so if they are on public property and not a threat to public safety, then they have the right to be there.
(06-30-2020, 01:56 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Classic "circle jerk" argument.
That's literally a quote from Bels. If that's not casually accepting or fine, what is? You can't be like "oh it's sure a shame" and then be "I don't care. Protest away." and pretend like you're not supporting the right to protest in front of people's private homes. But Fred does not want to argue against that position, so he just pretends they didn't say that and just focuses on the part where they said "a shame".
I support the right to protest in front of people's homes if they are on public property and not a threat to public safety because that is a civil liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. You have a problem with it? Take it up with the framers.
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