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(07-25-2018, 07:24 PM)YsCascadia Wrote: The point is that my list is just as valid as the one posted.  Your opinion is just as valid as mine so no real argument.

WTS.

Yes I am biased toward veterans.  They have ACTUALLY did something.  You want to look at the future fine, but I am not sold until Wentz, Carr, Mariota and the rest have done more.  Especially Jimmy G, Watson and Mahomes.  You can't say Mahomes is better than McCown when he has thrown a meaningful pass in the NFL.  For all we know Mahomes could throw 20 INTs to 10 TDs his entire career. 

On paper and potential won't amount to anything until it is actually witnessed in games.  Not just college games either.  As many great college players have had mediocre pro careers.  Some are bad systems, others are bad players.

I guess the way I see ranking the QB's is if someone said to me "Nate, you are making a football team and you have one year to win it all...which QB would you pick to lead your team?"  In my mind I'd take Pat Mahommes or Jimmy Garoppolo over Josh McCown.

I assumed people rank QBs is to talk about the upcoming season and try to figure out who will be better than so and so.  If you are an NFL GM who'd legitimately trade a QB like Mahommes/Waston/Garoppolo for McCown then our lists are going to look very different, yes.  Nothing against McCown, but I'll take a promising rookie or 2nd year guy over a guy who hasn't made the playoffs in his entire 15 year career.

I also don't really get the whole "it's just opinion, so it's all correct" argument. It can be your opinion that the Browns are going to win the SB, but that doesn't make it as valid as opinions that are based somewhat in reality.
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Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-24-2018, 06:45 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - pally - 07-24-2018, 07:20 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - BFritz21 - 07-24-2018, 07:43 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - BFritz21 - 07-24-2018, 08:38 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-25-2018, 08:41 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-24-2018, 08:25 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - GreenCornBengal - 07-24-2018, 08:36 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Sweetness - 07-24-2018, 08:50 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-25-2018, 08:47 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-24-2018, 08:59 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Steve - 07-24-2018, 09:22 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-24-2018, 09:34 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-25-2018, 08:49 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 10:55 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - sandwedge - 07-25-2018, 12:24 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-26-2018, 06:49 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Tiger Teeth - 07-26-2018, 07:01 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-26-2018, 07:04 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-26-2018, 07:13 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-26-2018, 08:56 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-26-2018, 09:23 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-26-2018, 09:51 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-26-2018, 09:58 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-26-2018, 03:03 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-26-2018, 08:41 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-26-2018, 08:59 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-26-2018, 10:22 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-26-2018, 10:54 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Bengalbug - 07-24-2018, 11:55 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 12:23 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Go Cards - 07-24-2018, 09:51 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - BFritz21 - 07-24-2018, 10:10 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Go Cards - 07-25-2018, 11:12 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - TSwigZ - 07-24-2018, 10:20 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 07-25-2018, 02:32 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Tiger Teeth - 07-25-2018, 07:12 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HarleyDog - 07-25-2018, 07:30 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 07-25-2018, 03:03 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - XenoMorph - 07-25-2018, 05:37 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 07-26-2018, 11:06 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - BigPapaKain - 07-25-2018, 08:21 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 10:51 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - XenoMorph - 07-25-2018, 12:24 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 02:19 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - BigPapaKain - 07-25-2018, 02:58 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Bengalbug - 07-25-2018, 03:59 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 04:10 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - XenoMorph - 07-25-2018, 05:39 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Bengalbug - 07-25-2018, 05:40 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - XenoMorph - 07-25-2018, 05:45 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 06:15 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 06:04 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 06:18 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 06:21 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Bengalbug - 07-25-2018, 04:01 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-25-2018, 08:39 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalfan74 - 07-25-2018, 09:05 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 07-25-2018, 12:21 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - sandwedge - 07-25-2018, 02:11 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - XenoMorph - 07-25-2018, 12:23 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - sandwedge - 07-25-2018, 02:08 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-25-2018, 06:09 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 06:17 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-25-2018, 07:32 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 07:58 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-25-2018, 10:12 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 10:52 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-28-2018, 01:03 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-25-2018, 07:03 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-25-2018, 07:24 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-25-2018, 08:04 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-25-2018, 10:29 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-26-2018, 10:25 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-25-2018, 07:41 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-25-2018, 10:03 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 06:22 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 06:38 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 07:08 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-26-2018, 07:08 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Steve - 07-25-2018, 07:44 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-25-2018, 07:52 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 07-26-2018, 02:02 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 08:34 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-25-2018, 08:41 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-26-2018, 03:56 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-26-2018, 03:57 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - BengalChris - 07-26-2018, 08:45 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-27-2018, 10:21 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - BengalChris - 07-27-2018, 12:59 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 07-27-2018, 12:08 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-27-2018, 10:02 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-27-2018, 12:05 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - TheLeonardLeap - 07-27-2018, 02:47 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-27-2018, 10:59 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - sandwedge - 07-27-2018, 12:24 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - grampahol - 07-27-2018, 12:18 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 07-27-2018, 02:36 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 07-27-2018, 04:45 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-28-2018, 08:36 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-27-2018, 04:56 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 07-27-2018, 05:11 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-28-2018, 03:12 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-28-2018, 01:27 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-28-2018, 03:10 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-28-2018, 09:22 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-28-2018, 09:47 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-28-2018, 11:13 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-29-2018, 12:26 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 07-29-2018, 12:20 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-29-2018, 12:43 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 07-29-2018, 11:32 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-29-2018, 11:51 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-29-2018, 12:24 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-29-2018, 04:22 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-30-2018, 11:30 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-31-2018, 04:39 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-31-2018, 05:17 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-01-2018, 04:51 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - rfaulk34 - 08-01-2018, 08:44 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-02-2018, 10:18 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-31-2018, 03:59 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-31-2018, 06:37 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 08-02-2018, 09:09 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-02-2018, 09:31 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalfan74 - 07-29-2018, 12:50 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 07-29-2018, 02:35 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 08-05-2018, 01:06 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-06-2018, 03:31 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 08-06-2018, 11:09 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-07-2018, 10:28 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 08-07-2018, 12:24 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-07-2018, 07:33 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SladeX - 08-12-2018, 11:32 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-13-2018, 04:03 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PikesPeakUC - 08-13-2018, 07:51 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-14-2018, 12:51 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PikesPeakUC - 08-14-2018, 09:55 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-15-2018, 11:37 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PikesPeakUC - 08-17-2018, 11:52 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-15-2018, 01:13 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PikesPeakUC - 08-17-2018, 11:43 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-16-2018, 03:00 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-16-2018, 02:14 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-18-2018, 12:47 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Brownshoe - 08-18-2018, 02:00 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-18-2018, 02:36 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-18-2018, 04:41 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-18-2018, 05:31 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-19-2018, 11:55 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-20-2018, 12:21 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 08-18-2018, 09:45 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-18-2018, 10:35 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - wolfkaosaun - 08-18-2018, 03:47 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-18-2018, 11:25 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-19-2018, 01:17 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-19-2018, 11:52 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-19-2018, 02:11 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-19-2018, 02:33 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-19-2018, 03:16 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-19-2018, 07:56 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-19-2018, 09:29 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-20-2018, 12:17 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Brownshoe - 08-19-2018, 03:51 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-19-2018, 05:58 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-19-2018, 10:11 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-19-2018, 07:37 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-19-2018, 09:33 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-20-2018, 12:52 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-20-2018, 11:01 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-20-2018, 11:16 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Brownshoe - 08-20-2018, 03:23 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - rfaulk34 - 08-20-2018, 10:23 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-21-2018, 12:42 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-22-2018, 08:42 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-22-2018, 08:59 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-22-2018, 09:54 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 08-21-2018, 08:47 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 08-23-2018, 04:17 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-23-2018, 11:23 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-23-2018, 04:28 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-23-2018, 04:37 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-23-2018, 04:55 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-23-2018, 06:08 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 08-23-2018, 11:46 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-23-2018, 04:30 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-23-2018, 05:03 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-23-2018, 06:16 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 08-23-2018, 07:11 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-23-2018, 07:39 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-23-2018, 08:09 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 08-24-2018, 12:23 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 08-24-2018, 03:26 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-24-2018, 05:35 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 08-24-2018, 06:21 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-24-2018, 06:46 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-24-2018, 08:26 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-24-2018, 08:33 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 08-24-2018, 10:25 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-25-2018, 01:46 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 08-28-2018, 09:14 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 08-27-2018, 12:16 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-27-2018, 09:44 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-24-2018, 08:29 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-24-2018, 08:33 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-27-2018, 12:50 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Passepartout - 08-27-2018, 01:12 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-27-2018, 01:19 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-27-2018, 09:52 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-28-2018, 07:28 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-29-2018, 07:47 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-29-2018, 12:34 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-29-2018, 04:14 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-28-2018, 11:30 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-28-2018, 11:55 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-29-2018, 12:34 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-29-2018, 12:44 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 08-28-2018, 12:10 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-28-2018, 07:09 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-29-2018, 01:38 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-29-2018, 07:52 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-29-2018, 12:17 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 08-29-2018, 01:37 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 09-11-2018, 05:30 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 09-14-2018, 01:15 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 09-19-2018, 02:42 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 09-21-2018, 09:14 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 10-03-2018, 05:04 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 09-17-2018, 10:24 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 09-17-2018, 01:38 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 09-17-2018, 03:13 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - rfaulk34 - 09-17-2018, 10:21 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Big Boss - 09-17-2018, 10:28 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - MTBengalsFan - 09-23-2018, 09:46 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Brownshoe - 10-03-2018, 10:51 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 10-04-2018, 09:39 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 10-05-2018, 12:50 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 10-05-2018, 03:08 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 10-05-2018, 03:51 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 10-05-2018, 04:22 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 10-05-2018, 04:40 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 10-06-2018, 01:21 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 10-06-2018, 03:57 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 10-06-2018, 06:37 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - thillan - 10-06-2018, 03:40 PM

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