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Tier 3 QB
(07-25-2018, 10:52 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: This is plain ignorant.  Making these statements generically! ?

If a QB takes a team to a SB and doesn't win, it's the QB's fault??

LOL (Matt Ryan responding to generic ignorance)

Wait .... it's been 7 years now of ad nauseam Dalton criticism, and I stated I wouldn't get baited into anymore foolishness!

My brother, maybe the concept is too much for you to comprehend but I will try again.

Marino - "One of the greatest QBs to never win a SB."

One of his achievements was taking his team to the SB and going to the playoffs 10 times in which the words "leading" are used.  He is credited for being the sole reason for Miami making the postseason and even going to the SB.  Yet he never won a SB.  To which his supporters will be quick to defend his failure on the other guys on the team.  One minute he is praised as being the sole reason for Miami's success then is excluded from any criticism for Miami's failure to win the SB.

This is the reverse of what Dalton receives (which I only used him as a contrast to Marino and not trying to debate one way or another on Dalton), in which Dalton is never given credit for the success of the Bengals but is solely blamed for the team's failure.

I don't buy any of it for a minute.  In reality a QB is only one part of the puzzle to finding success, it is a team game, and there has to be 1 winner and 1 loser.  The plays called, the system, the players and even luck have a lot to do with the team's success.  Granted there are some QBs that can throw the ball better than others, some can read the defense better than others and some can put on a great show.  However none of those things really matter when you look at the whole picture.

Going back to Dalton.  If he throws the ball to AJ and AJ doesn't catch it and the ball is INT, then Dalton is criticized for forcing the ball to AJ.  If Dalton spreads the ball around and AJ only has 5 targets and we lose the game then Dalton is criticized for not going to his playmaker enough.  Yet game plan may dictate who is given the ball, AJ may not be AJ in this game and the ball bounces out of his hands (Ahem, Bills game) and lands in the hands of the defender.  These things happen and the QB isn't the sole reason for success or failure and to say otherwise is ignorant.
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Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-24-2018, 06:45 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - pally - 07-24-2018, 07:20 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - BFritz21 - 07-24-2018, 07:43 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - BFritz21 - 07-24-2018, 08:38 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-25-2018, 08:41 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-24-2018, 08:25 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - GreenCornBengal - 07-24-2018, 08:36 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Sweetness - 07-24-2018, 08:50 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-25-2018, 08:47 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-24-2018, 08:59 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Steve - 07-24-2018, 09:22 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-24-2018, 09:34 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-25-2018, 08:49 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 10:55 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - sandwedge - 07-25-2018, 12:24 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-26-2018, 06:49 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Tiger Teeth - 07-26-2018, 07:01 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-26-2018, 07:04 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-26-2018, 07:13 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-26-2018, 08:56 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-26-2018, 09:23 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-26-2018, 09:51 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-26-2018, 09:58 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-26-2018, 03:03 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-26-2018, 08:41 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-26-2018, 08:59 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-26-2018, 10:22 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-26-2018, 10:54 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Bengalbug - 07-24-2018, 11:55 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 12:23 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Go Cards - 07-24-2018, 09:51 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - BFritz21 - 07-24-2018, 10:10 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Go Cards - 07-25-2018, 11:12 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - TSwigZ - 07-24-2018, 10:20 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 07-25-2018, 02:32 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Tiger Teeth - 07-25-2018, 07:12 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HarleyDog - 07-25-2018, 07:30 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 07-25-2018, 03:03 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - XenoMorph - 07-25-2018, 05:37 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 07-26-2018, 11:06 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - BigPapaKain - 07-25-2018, 08:21 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 10:51 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - XenoMorph - 07-25-2018, 12:24 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 02:19 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - BigPapaKain - 07-25-2018, 02:58 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Bengalbug - 07-25-2018, 03:59 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 04:10 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - XenoMorph - 07-25-2018, 05:39 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Bengalbug - 07-25-2018, 05:40 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - XenoMorph - 07-25-2018, 05:45 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 06:15 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 06:04 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 06:18 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 06:21 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Bengalbug - 07-25-2018, 04:01 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-25-2018, 08:39 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalfan74 - 07-25-2018, 09:05 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 07-25-2018, 12:21 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - sandwedge - 07-25-2018, 02:11 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - XenoMorph - 07-25-2018, 12:23 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - sandwedge - 07-25-2018, 02:08 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-25-2018, 06:09 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 06:17 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-25-2018, 07:32 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 07:58 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-25-2018, 10:12 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 10:52 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-28-2018, 01:03 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-25-2018, 07:03 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-25-2018, 07:24 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-25-2018, 08:04 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-25-2018, 10:29 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-26-2018, 10:25 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-25-2018, 07:41 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-25-2018, 10:03 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 06:22 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 06:38 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 07:08 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-26-2018, 07:08 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Steve - 07-25-2018, 07:44 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-25-2018, 07:52 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 07-26-2018, 02:02 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 08:34 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-25-2018, 08:41 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-26-2018, 03:56 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-26-2018, 03:57 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - BengalChris - 07-26-2018, 08:45 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-27-2018, 10:21 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - BengalChris - 07-27-2018, 12:59 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 07-27-2018, 12:08 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-27-2018, 10:02 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-27-2018, 12:05 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - TheLeonardLeap - 07-27-2018, 02:47 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-27-2018, 10:59 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - sandwedge - 07-27-2018, 12:24 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - grampahol - 07-27-2018, 12:18 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 07-27-2018, 02:36 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 07-27-2018, 04:45 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-28-2018, 08:36 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-27-2018, 04:56 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 07-27-2018, 05:11 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-28-2018, 03:12 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-28-2018, 01:27 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-28-2018, 03:10 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-28-2018, 09:22 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-28-2018, 09:47 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-28-2018, 11:13 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-29-2018, 12:26 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 07-29-2018, 12:20 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-29-2018, 12:43 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 07-29-2018, 11:32 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-29-2018, 11:51 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-29-2018, 12:24 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-29-2018, 04:22 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-30-2018, 11:30 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-31-2018, 04:39 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-31-2018, 05:17 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-01-2018, 04:51 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - rfaulk34 - 08-01-2018, 08:44 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-02-2018, 10:18 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-31-2018, 03:59 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-31-2018, 06:37 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 08-02-2018, 09:09 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-02-2018, 09:31 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalfan74 - 07-29-2018, 12:50 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 07-29-2018, 02:35 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 08-05-2018, 01:06 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-06-2018, 03:31 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 08-06-2018, 11:09 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-07-2018, 10:28 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 08-07-2018, 12:24 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-07-2018, 07:33 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SladeX - 08-12-2018, 11:32 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-13-2018, 04:03 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PikesPeakUC - 08-13-2018, 07:51 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-14-2018, 12:51 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PikesPeakUC - 08-14-2018, 09:55 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-15-2018, 11:37 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PikesPeakUC - 08-17-2018, 11:52 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-15-2018, 01:13 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PikesPeakUC - 08-17-2018, 11:43 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-16-2018, 03:00 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-16-2018, 02:14 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-18-2018, 12:47 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Brownshoe - 08-18-2018, 02:00 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-18-2018, 02:36 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-18-2018, 04:41 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-18-2018, 05:31 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-19-2018, 11:55 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-20-2018, 12:21 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 08-18-2018, 09:45 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-18-2018, 10:35 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - wolfkaosaun - 08-18-2018, 03:47 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-18-2018, 11:25 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-19-2018, 01:17 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-19-2018, 11:52 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-19-2018, 02:11 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-19-2018, 02:33 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-19-2018, 03:16 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-19-2018, 07:56 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-19-2018, 09:29 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-20-2018, 12:17 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Brownshoe - 08-19-2018, 03:51 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-19-2018, 05:58 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-19-2018, 10:11 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-19-2018, 07:37 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-19-2018, 09:33 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-20-2018, 12:52 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-20-2018, 11:01 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-20-2018, 11:16 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Brownshoe - 08-20-2018, 03:23 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - rfaulk34 - 08-20-2018, 10:23 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-21-2018, 12:42 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-22-2018, 08:42 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-22-2018, 08:59 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-22-2018, 09:54 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 08-21-2018, 08:47 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 08-23-2018, 04:17 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-23-2018, 11:23 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-23-2018, 04:28 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-23-2018, 04:37 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-23-2018, 04:55 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-23-2018, 06:08 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 08-23-2018, 11:46 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-23-2018, 04:30 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-23-2018, 05:03 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-23-2018, 06:16 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 08-23-2018, 07:11 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-23-2018, 07:39 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-23-2018, 08:09 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 08-24-2018, 12:23 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 08-24-2018, 03:26 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-24-2018, 05:35 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 08-24-2018, 06:21 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-24-2018, 06:46 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-24-2018, 08:26 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-24-2018, 08:33 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 08-24-2018, 10:25 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-25-2018, 01:46 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 08-28-2018, 09:14 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 08-27-2018, 12:16 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-27-2018, 09:44 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-24-2018, 08:29 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-24-2018, 08:33 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-27-2018, 12:50 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Passepartout - 08-27-2018, 01:12 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-27-2018, 01:19 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-27-2018, 09:52 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-28-2018, 07:28 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-29-2018, 07:47 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-29-2018, 12:34 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-29-2018, 04:14 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-28-2018, 11:30 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-28-2018, 11:55 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-29-2018, 12:34 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-29-2018, 12:44 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 08-28-2018, 12:10 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-28-2018, 07:09 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-29-2018, 01:38 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-29-2018, 07:52 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-29-2018, 12:17 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 08-29-2018, 01:37 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 09-11-2018, 05:30 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 09-14-2018, 01:15 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 09-19-2018, 02:42 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 09-21-2018, 09:14 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 10-03-2018, 05:04 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 09-17-2018, 10:24 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 09-17-2018, 01:38 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 09-17-2018, 03:13 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - rfaulk34 - 09-17-2018, 10:21 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Big Boss - 09-17-2018, 10:28 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - MTBengalsFan - 09-23-2018, 09:46 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Brownshoe - 10-03-2018, 10:51 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 10-04-2018, 09:39 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 10-05-2018, 12:50 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 10-05-2018, 03:08 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 10-05-2018, 03:51 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 10-05-2018, 04:22 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 10-05-2018, 04:40 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 10-06-2018, 01:21 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 10-06-2018, 03:57 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 10-06-2018, 06:37 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - thillan - 10-06-2018, 03:40 PM

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