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Tier 3 QB
(08-24-2018, 06:21 PM)HuDey Wrote: I have never heard it said that any of those players you listed “held thier QB back”. Prima donnas? Sure. Pains in the ass?..definitely. But how many of those QB’s fared better after those guys left?..To be clear, I am not putting Green or any other WR on a pedestal, My point is that the notion that AJ Green is somehow the reason that Andy Dalton has had a largely mediocre career is just crazy. EVERY Qb deals with dropped balls, bad routes, and WR who at times fail to break up an interception. The great ones rise above it, and if you find yourself constantly making excuses for a guy....he isn’t one of them.

In one of your previous posts you claimed that Dalton throwing to Green in double coverage etc, was holding Dalton back. Are you blaming Green because his QB can’t make the correct decisions about where to throw the ball?...Or is that a case of Andy Dalton holding Andy Dalton back?

This is NOT the notion.  The notion is that for all we know, given that we really don't know much on any given play,  Green might be the one that we should be critical of.  Hence Green holding Dalton back.  I have posted the Arizona game as an example.  The Miami game of 2013 is another.  Even though we beat Buffalo last year, Green was the worst player on that field.

When people call someone a cancer they aren't saying that those guys are making their team better.

Dalton throwing to Green in double coverage is not necessarily the wrong decision.  Green is after all a hell of a WR.  The point is that Green's ability can make Dalton choose that option instead of looking elsewhere.  If Green isn't on the field, then Dalton actually does better at reading the defense and taking what is given to him.  Yes Dalton does deserve to be criticized, I would NEVER claim that Dalton is the best QB.  However the point that is going over many people's head is that having Green be the top WR that he is can actually be a detriment to the development of a team.

Look I am all for having Green, I wouldn't want to see him go anywhere else.  Yet to claim that Dalton is holding Green back is wrong.
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Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-24-2018, 06:45 PM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-25-2018, 08:41 AM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-25-2018, 08:47 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-24-2018, 08:59 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Steve - 07-24-2018, 09:22 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-24-2018, 09:34 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-25-2018, 08:49 AM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - sandwedge - 07-25-2018, 12:24 PM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - Tiger Teeth - 07-26-2018, 07:01 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-26-2018, 07:04 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-26-2018, 07:13 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-26-2018, 08:56 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-26-2018, 09:23 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-26-2018, 09:51 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-26-2018, 09:58 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-26-2018, 03:03 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-26-2018, 08:41 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-26-2018, 08:59 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-26-2018, 10:22 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-26-2018, 10:54 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Bengalbug - 07-24-2018, 11:55 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 12:23 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Go Cards - 07-24-2018, 09:51 PM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - Go Cards - 07-25-2018, 11:12 AM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 07-25-2018, 03:03 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - XenoMorph - 07-25-2018, 05:37 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 07-26-2018, 11:06 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - BigPapaKain - 07-25-2018, 08:21 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 10:51 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - XenoMorph - 07-25-2018, 12:24 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 02:19 PM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 04:10 PM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - XenoMorph - 07-25-2018, 05:45 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 06:15 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 06:04 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 06:18 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 06:21 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Bengalbug - 07-25-2018, 04:01 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-25-2018, 08:39 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalfan74 - 07-25-2018, 09:05 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 07-25-2018, 12:21 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - sandwedge - 07-25-2018, 02:11 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - XenoMorph - 07-25-2018, 12:23 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - sandwedge - 07-25-2018, 02:08 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-25-2018, 06:09 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 06:17 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-25-2018, 07:32 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 07:58 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-25-2018, 10:12 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 10:52 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-28-2018, 01:03 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-25-2018, 07:03 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-25-2018, 07:24 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-25-2018, 08:04 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-25-2018, 10:29 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-26-2018, 10:25 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-25-2018, 07:41 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-25-2018, 10:03 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 06:22 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 06:38 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 07-25-2018, 07:08 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SHRacerX - 07-26-2018, 07:08 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Steve - 07-25-2018, 07:44 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-25-2018, 07:52 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 07-26-2018, 02:02 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 07-25-2018, 08:34 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-25-2018, 08:41 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-26-2018, 03:56 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-26-2018, 03:57 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - BengalChris - 07-26-2018, 08:45 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-27-2018, 10:21 AM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 07-27-2018, 12:08 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-27-2018, 10:02 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-27-2018, 12:05 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - TheLeonardLeap - 07-27-2018, 02:47 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-27-2018, 10:59 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - sandwedge - 07-27-2018, 12:24 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - grampahol - 07-27-2018, 12:18 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 07-27-2018, 02:36 PM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - Nately120 - 07-28-2018, 08:36 AM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-28-2018, 09:22 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-28-2018, 09:47 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-28-2018, 11:13 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-29-2018, 12:26 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 07-29-2018, 12:20 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-29-2018, 12:43 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 07-29-2018, 11:32 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-29-2018, 11:51 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-29-2018, 12:24 PM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-30-2018, 11:30 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 07-31-2018, 04:39 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-31-2018, 05:17 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-01-2018, 04:51 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - rfaulk34 - 08-01-2018, 08:44 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-02-2018, 10:18 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 07-31-2018, 03:59 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 07-31-2018, 06:37 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 08-02-2018, 09:09 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-02-2018, 09:31 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalfan74 - 07-29-2018, 12:50 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 07-29-2018, 02:35 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 08-05-2018, 01:06 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-06-2018, 03:31 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 08-06-2018, 11:09 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-07-2018, 10:28 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bengalguy71 - 08-07-2018, 12:24 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-07-2018, 07:33 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - SladeX - 08-12-2018, 11:32 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-13-2018, 04:03 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PikesPeakUC - 08-13-2018, 07:51 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-14-2018, 12:51 AM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-15-2018, 11:37 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PikesPeakUC - 08-17-2018, 11:52 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-15-2018, 01:13 PM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-16-2018, 03:00 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-16-2018, 02:14 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-18-2018, 12:47 PM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-18-2018, 05:31 PM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-20-2018, 12:21 AM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-18-2018, 11:25 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-19-2018, 01:17 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-19-2018, 11:52 AM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-19-2018, 02:33 PM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-19-2018, 07:56 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-19-2018, 09:29 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-20-2018, 12:17 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Brownshoe - 08-19-2018, 03:51 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-19-2018, 05:58 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-19-2018, 10:11 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-19-2018, 07:37 PM
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RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-20-2018, 12:52 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-20-2018, 11:01 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-20-2018, 11:16 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Brownshoe - 08-20-2018, 03:23 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - rfaulk34 - 08-20-2018, 10:23 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-21-2018, 12:42 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-22-2018, 08:42 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-22-2018, 08:59 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-22-2018, 09:54 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 08-21-2018, 08:47 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 08-23-2018, 04:17 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-23-2018, 11:23 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-23-2018, 04:28 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-23-2018, 04:37 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-23-2018, 04:55 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-23-2018, 06:08 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 08-23-2018, 11:46 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-23-2018, 04:30 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-23-2018, 05:03 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-23-2018, 06:16 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 08-23-2018, 07:11 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-23-2018, 07:39 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-23-2018, 08:09 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 08-24-2018, 12:23 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 08-24-2018, 03:26 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-24-2018, 05:35 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 08-24-2018, 06:21 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-24-2018, 06:46 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-24-2018, 08:26 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-24-2018, 08:33 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 08-24-2018, 10:25 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-25-2018, 01:46 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - HuDey - 08-28-2018, 09:14 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 08-27-2018, 12:16 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-27-2018, 09:44 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-24-2018, 08:29 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-24-2018, 08:33 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-27-2018, 12:50 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Passepartout - 08-27-2018, 01:12 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-27-2018, 01:19 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-27-2018, 09:52 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-28-2018, 07:28 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-29-2018, 07:47 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-29-2018, 12:34 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-29-2018, 04:14 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-28-2018, 11:30 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-28-2018, 11:55 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - bfine32 - 08-29-2018, 12:34 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-29-2018, 12:44 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 08-28-2018, 12:10 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 08-28-2018, 07:09 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - CornerBlitz - 08-29-2018, 01:38 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 08-29-2018, 07:52 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 08-29-2018, 12:17 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 08-29-2018, 01:37 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 09-11-2018, 05:30 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 09-14-2018, 01:15 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 09-19-2018, 02:42 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - YsCascadia - 09-21-2018, 09:14 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 10-03-2018, 05:04 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 09-17-2018, 10:24 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 09-17-2018, 01:38 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - PhilHos - 09-17-2018, 03:13 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - rfaulk34 - 09-17-2018, 10:21 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Big Boss - 09-17-2018, 10:28 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - MTBengalsFan - 09-23-2018, 09:46 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Brownshoe - 10-03-2018, 10:51 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 10-04-2018, 09:39 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Nicomo Cosca - 10-05-2018, 12:50 AM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 10-05-2018, 03:08 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 10-05-2018, 03:51 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 10-05-2018, 04:22 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Wyche'sWarrior - 10-05-2018, 04:40 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 10-06-2018, 01:21 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - fredtoast - 10-06-2018, 03:57 PM
RE: Tier 3 QB - Shake n Blake - 10-06-2018, 06:37 PM
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