01-16-2019, 04:11 PM
(01-15-2019, 01:36 PM)Hoofhearted Wrote: Any trade for the number 1 pick - especially with a franchise QB sitting there - is going to take a Kings Ransom. KC got Mahomes because he played in the BIG12 where Defense is optional. That's why he slid.
Mahomes is far from the only great QB taken 10th overall or later.
Mahomes - 10th
Pig Ben - 11th
Watson - 12th
Rodgers - 24th
Brees - 2nd round
Carr - 2nd round
Wilson - 3rd round
Brady - 6th round
That's most of the best QB's in the NFL right now, with the exception of Carr (who is still very solid).
(01-15-2019, 11:09 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You really should try to keep up instead of just looking for things to disagree with.
Dude said Carr was "Captain Checkdown" I slurred no one simply pointed out that his YPA was better than the guy he was praising.
IDK where this $11 Mil more comes from. Derek is scheduled to make less that $4 Mil more than Andy next year and just over $1 Mil more in 2020. So my math has it right around $5 Mil over the next 2 years. And that's assuming Andy doesn't want to renegotiate in his last year.
Maybe they're just assuming Andy won't get paid in 2021 and 2022. They should have more trust in Andy.
If you're going to look at a stat to confirm whether or not a guy is "captain checkdown", yards per completion (the stat Fred used) is the stat to look at.
Yards per attempt (the stat you used) is affected by both completion percentage AND yards per attempt.
Derek Carr's completion % high (68.6%) and his yards/completion is very low (10.6 - which ranked 27th out of 33). This indicates that he is indeed a dink n dunker.
(01-15-2019, 11:49 PM)fredtoast Wrote: A fan's patience with a player's rate of development is directly proportional to how the fan felt about the player when he was drafted. And "fans" includes me. But here is a general rule I try to follow, and I think most NFL teams feel about the same way I do.
1. Never write off any player after just one season. Way too many examples of good players who did nothing as rookies.
2. Most picks from the first three rounds will get a full second year. Unless a player has been injured or moved around in different positions or schemes you should have a pretty good idea of what kind of player you have after two seasons. He may not be a finished product after two seasons, but you should be able to see a significant level of improvement from year one to 2.
3. Unless a pick is a total disaster it is better to keep them for their full rookie contracts. It is hard to replace rookie scale players in free agency, and cutting a guy on his rookie contract is like losing a draft pick. Since you can't really keep all of your draft picks every year anyway most players cut still on rookie contracts are replaced by true rookies.
It seems that if a high draft pick flounders his first coiuple of seasons it sours the fan base on him and it is hard for the player to get any respect even when he does play well.
And sometimes it turns out that those "crappy players" may not have been so crappy after all. People mocked Margus Hunt like he was a joke. He was only a backup with the Bengals but this year he started 15 games for the Colts and only 12 defensive linemen had more tackles for loss than Hunt's 13. Russell Bodine also went to a starting job with another team. I am not saying those guys were great players here, but they were not the garbage that some claimed. If it was so easy to just draft better players every year guys like Hunt and Bodine would not still be playing.
Generally, I think you're right. But I loved the Glenn trade, so my initial thoughts haven't affected my overall opinion. Same with Brandon LaFell. Same with John Ross.
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