08-06-2019, 08:00 PM
(08-05-2019, 01:12 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote:Quote:So what you're saying is that Dalton has only had 7 opportunities to prove whether or not he's clutch in big games. In 8 years. 7 opportunities but 14 throws on 19 drop backs. Sorry, you can't minimize it by just counting the number of games. It's the opportunities he's had.
...and it's highly debatable whether or not some of these were truly clutch situations. Down 10 on the last drive? (He can still make a throw to score and put pressure on the other team) That Giants game where Dalton was getting pummeled? You say he stood there like a statue, but where was he supposed to go? Ogbuehi got manhandled by JPP and there was nothing even resembling a pocket because the whole line was folding back like a cheap lawn chair. The only place for someone of Dalton's athleticism to run was backwards. Can't throw it out when you're in the hash marks. Besides a hyper athletic QB, I'm not sure who makes a play there. It doesn't just take a hyper athletic QB. Some QBs use their brain to make a quicker decision, some simply manipulate the pocket...hell, if your line is sucking that bad, take it on yourself to roll one way or the other and don't stand there like a sitting duck.
In the Cards game, Dalton led us back to tie the game after trailing 14 heading into the 4th. Even on the drive you claim he came up short, he went 3/6 for 48 yards with a 6 yard run to even get us in position to tie the game with a FG. If anything, Dalton was clutch as heck in this game. Except that he had the opportunity to put the team ahead and he couldn't make the thow at the end. (He's good enough to get close, but can't get over the top)
So again it goes back to: how many clutch scenarios in PT/playoffs has he really had? As many as i showed. And that doesn't even mention all the games he's had to look really good in losses. He doesn't even have a single game where he matches the opposing QB in a loss, like Cousins V Goff last year. People love to compare Dalton to Cousins.
I just showed you all the opportunities he's had at the end those games and he's not produced a win in any of them. It's not that he's missed a bunch and got it done a few/couple times, he's failed every time. There were a couple times in that group of games he only needed to make 1 throw and the narrative is completely different. How many examples do people need before they finally come to the conclusion that he's just a good QB that hasn't made a throw at the end of any of those games to pull it out? It's not a bash, it's just the reality. His only claim to fame is starting hot and hanging on for the win.
I mean, come on. He can't even make 1 throw to make a difference in a W and an L...in 8 years?
- It's still 7 opportunities to prove he's "clutch" in 8 years, while playing for the choking-est coach of all time. A coach who burdened the offense with his defense-first conservative nature. Even if you want to be cheap and look at "throws" it's still not a lot.
- No rational person says "down 10 on the last drive" is a clutch situation. You're better than this. You're just angry and you've dug yourself in.
- Manipulate what pocket?? Re-watch those sacks and you tell me where the "pocket" is (sacks start at 5:13):
On the first one, it looks like the best play was - at best - a 5 yard completion to Core (?), but he wouldn't have been able to step into that throw at all. On the second one, he did try to step up, but the line was a discombobulated mess. Nothing resembling a pocket. Boling got embarassed. So did both Tackles.
That's why I said a hyper athletic QB could've possibly made a play. A prime Mike Vick could've ran backwards away from the pressure, escaped and made a throw. What pocket QB makes a play there? Lets be real man.
- Andy led us to 31 points on the road in PT against a great opponent, almost entirely via his arm. That should've been good enough to win. Someone's defense choked. A guy who choked for 16 years with multiple QB's at the helm.
- "He doesn't even have a game where he matched the opposing QB in a loss" - You can't seriously believe that.
- I'll repeat - again - that he didn't have many opportunities to do what you're so surprised he didn't. 7 games in 8 years. Had he played under any coach worth a damn, he would've had plenty of PT/playoff games where he wasn't getting BLOWN OUT. Again, the next couple seasons should be very interesting. I can't wait for prime-time...even though I'd argue the rest of the team has more to prove in that time slot than Dalton, who went 4-8-1 in his last 13 prime-time games, despite posting a solid 89.6 rating with 20 TD's to 8 INT's.
(08-05-2019, 01:16 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Not necessarily. I prefer to see where he stands against other QBs with similar amounts of time and opportunity, to truly guage where he stands among them.
He wasn't just being compared to the best. He was being compared to everyone that had 5,000, 10,000, 15,000 and 20,000 yards.
Well I think - objectively - we can't just throw out QB's that actually played in the NFL and qualified each year in the passer rating category.
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