Did Cleveland rob the Reds?

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(09-04-2019, 09:08 PM)fredtoast Wrote: '18 and '19 were his last two years with the Indians.

Oh, so you were counting partial season in 2019 before he bombed with us since being traded.

Got it.

Still even if we look at that season, his ERA+ was 124. Good. But not elite. And his FIP is  0.37 points higher than his ERA, meaning he got some good defense/luck in Cleveland this year to depress his ERA.

(09-04-2019, 09:13 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Christian Yelich OPS the 4 seasons prior to 2018 were .764, .782, .859, .807.

Yelich was 25 in 2017.  Bauer was 26.

And then he produced 2 consecutive all star seasons.

If Bauer was pitching like 2018 right now, I'd agree with you that he's better than average.

Unfortunately for him, he's reverted to his previous form. Arguably, his true form. Steeply. 

Hopefully 2020 is better for him, but right now he's pitching like a shit pitcher and he only has 1 elite year and ~3/4 of a solid year separating him from complete mediocrity.

He's gonna be expensive as all hell in 2020 as well, so we're definitely on the losing end of this trade so far.


Also, an .807 OPS and an .859 OPS are definitely not bad years. That's somewhere between J.T Realmuto and Rhys Hoskins territory.
And better than any full time player on the Reds outside of Suarez.

The average OPS in 2017, 2016, 2015 and 2014 were .750, .739, .721 and .700
So Yelich was above average in any given year, with a peak of .120 above in 2016. 

In Bauer's case, he was below average in ERA 3 of the 4 years and below average in WHIP 3 of the 4 years.

So I don't even see the comparison between him and Bauer.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/bat.shtml