Question For Lawyers (Or Anyone)

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(10-24-2019, 07:01 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If you appealed it then it went to a higher court.

False.

We appealed it and then had to wait for another case to get ruled on before they could rule on ours but, by the time that case was ruled on, my old man got tired of waiting and told my lawyers to just move on.

You made an assumption, like you have done many times before, including in this thread, and it turned out to be false.  Why would you make false assumptions if your debate held water?

(10-24-2019, 07:03 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You would have been drinking someplace else if you did not have access to the cemetery.

In fact you were drinking at a friends house before you went to the cemetery weren't you?  It has been a while since I reviewed the record.

HA!  I hadn't drank in months before that night and we didn't drink that often because other parents didn't allow us to drink at their houses!

We had drank a beer down the street at another kid's house before going to the cemetery but we had only started drinking (and only had the beer bought for us) because we knew we were going to party and drink in the cemetery where anything was allowed.

See above about assumptions.

(10-24-2019, 07:06 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Yes.  

All you do is blame other people.

"The driver was crazy."

"It was his parents fault."

"It was the cemetery's fault."

"I was only 15 so my brain was not developed enough for it to be my fault." 


I have never once heard you say it was your fault, and that you were the one responsible for all the bad decisions you made that night.

When was I ever asked if it was my fault?

Like I said, I'm a public "speaker" trying to prevent kids from making the same mistakes I did, so it's kind of ridiculous to say that I blame other people.  Other people definitely played a role in it, but that's not me blaming other people.

You'll have to show me the exact posts with those quotes because I know a few of them are incorrect so I'd need to see them in context.

(10-24-2019, 07:12 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You don't understand the law.

Every parent knows there is a chance their child will drink.  But that is not enough to make them negligent and responsible for what their child does while drinking.  

Parents are financially responsible for damage done by their children, but that is true even if they do absolutely NOTHING wrong.  That is why their insurance paid your medical bills.  

What your family was trying to do was collect more money by proving that the parents were in some way negligent and make them pay more for that.  But his parents were not negligent.  They did not provide access to alcohol or a car.  They did not do anything to be held responsible for the accident.  The judge made the correct decision.  You appealed it to a higher court and that court upheld the decision.

I've had friends that don't drink.  Most of our grade didn't drink, so how does every parent know there's a chance their child will drink? Most parties we went to didn't allow drinking (in fact, the cemetery was the only place that let us drink), so how does every parent think know there is a possibility?

Their insurance didn't pay our medical bills.  Another assumption by you.  Why do you think they did?

We were trying to get them to pay our expenses (at least) because they cost us hundreds of thousands of dollars (medical expenses, housing alterations, vehicles, my mom had to quit her job, etc.).  Extra would have been nice, but that's not why we sued.

How do you keep making assumptions and expect me to think you have any valid points?

(10-24-2019, 10:44 PM)UKWhoDey Wrote: We were 15 implies youre probably still not even 21.  You clearly have a problem owning personal responsibility, frankly your entire premise here is patently absurd,  and it kind of pisses me off you even remotely think you have a justification to sue over something you were stupid enough to do.  The fact that your parents are the one that brought the lawsuit tells me you've gotten this totally warped sense of logic from them, which is a damn shame.

If every single person is telling you the same thing, maybe you should stop and accept the fact that its you and not the rest of the world.   This is some frivilous McDonalds hot coffee b.s.  get real dude and grow up.

Ha! 

I'm 35 now.  

Every single person?  Every person that I've talked to about this in the area (including lawyers) agree that it was a bullshit ruling.

Personal responsibility?  I'm a public "speaker" because I own what I did and I try to help kids and adults to not make the same mistake I did.

In fact, a reason that I'm so popular in the tristate is because I don't play the victim and I own what I did.

Something tells me that you're the one that needs to grow up 

(10-25-2019, 10:26 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I’m not trying to stump you. I just want to know why you think his parents should have known something bad was going to happen, yet you had no idea something bad might happen.

And if his parents should have known something bad was going to happen then shouldn’t your parents have known something bad was going to happen and stopped you from being best friends and drinking with this maniac in the cemetery? Your parents knew you were an under age drinker who didn’t obey them or the law and you were hanging out with a maniac who was a bad influence so why did they let you leave the house unsupervised?

You think a 15-year-old should have the same ability to foresee something as an adult?  Actually, though, he did scare me and maybe I should have known but you always figure a parent will be around to prevent us from doing things like that.

Thanks for strengthening my point 

My parents knew I had drank before but that's it.  They also didn't know how big of a maniac he was since we went to different schools.  Yes, I told them he was a maniac but that was just about fighting.