Game of Thrones

[XenoMorph]

(05-13-2016, 10:55 PM)Beaker Wrote: It has to be a trick by the Umbers. They always have been very loyal to the Starks. I found it interesting that Small John came to Ramsey very soon after he killed Roose. The Umbers knew all the details too....he wasn't buying that Roose was poisoned by his enemies. Its almost like they had a spy in the Bolton's house. I wonder if it was either Karstark (playing Ramsey), or the measter....who could have very well sent the info with a raven when Ramsey ordered ravens sent out to tell the other houses in the north that Roose was dead.

Also, Small John's excuse for seeking an alliance was that Jon Snow had let the wildings south of the wall, and he hates wildlings. Yet, he spares Osha to turn over to Ramsey with Rickon. Why wouldn't he have just killed a hated wildling and turned over Rickon by himself? I think Osha is there to help protect Rickon in any way she can.

Also, Small John confirms its Rickon with a wolf's head that was supposed to be Shaggydog's. But that head was the size of a regular wolf's head....not huge like a dire wolf. Look how big Ghost's head is...and remember, Ghost was the runt of the litter and was given to Jon Snow rather than killed.

Finally, the Umbers have always been very concerned with honor and tradition. Did you see how Small John talked his way out of having to kneel and swear fealty to Ramsey? Now he can turn on Ramsey without breaking an oath.

All in allI think it has to be a plot. Roose was always the tactical one and knew he held a good defensive position in Winterfell. It was always Ramsey who wants to strike out and attack by leaving Winterfell. He wanted to meet Stannis out in the field. He wanted to go to castle Black to attack Jon Snow. I'm sure it will be easy to draw him out under the guise of joining the Umber's army to go attack wildlings or Castle Black, then the Umbers turn on the Bolton army once they are away from Winterfell and somebody else joins them to kill Ramsey. I think it could be Jon Snow and the wildling army, or other houses in the north.

Yeah not exactly sure the umbers game... im still thinking they back the starks.  In the books after the fall of the king of the north when stannis came to the wall the umbers sent their army with stannis to attack winterfel  (whats left anyways) but also there was an umber with the boltons.  Mors umber.    so they could be playing both side to make sure they survive..   but the umber strike me as the type that would rise for the king in the north again.

But who will be the king in the north.  they kinda killed sansa plot from the books   but if rikkon returned he would be heir to winterfel