Auden Tate: Where to play him

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(12-31-2019, 04:48 PM)Au165 Wrote: Mike Williams is worse at "generating separation" what's your point? I continue to point out separation does not matter I'm not saying he gets separation I am saying not getting it does not matter. Mike Williams gets less separation and catches contested balls at a lower rate but has better stats because he has a better catchable pass % and more opportunities. Mike Williams is basically what people should want Auden Tate to be.

What is your argument he "sucks" in the red zone? Stats that you don't have context on? How many were Fades thrown out of bounds, we both don't know so using a stat without context is laughable. Again, Mike Willams had 18 targets in the Red Zone with 3 catches for 18.75%, heck Travis Kelce was 8 of 22 for 36%.

No, catchable pass percentage are passes that register within a certain distance from the WR they simply aren't even close. I again have watched enough tape to know even the passes Tate gets to often require him to leave his feet, they are horrible ball placement. I have never seen a group of people so excited to defend Andy Dalton an Ryan Finley's ball placement.

Football outsiders aren't "experts" evaluating anything they use a mathematical formula assigning value to things like situation, down and distance, targets, etc. They don't take into account things like poor QB play, errant throws that are their "targets", or anything they do when they don't have the ball in their hands. Hence why a guy like Tyler Boyd is ranked behind Hunter Renfrow and Danny Amendola (and only 5 sports higher than Tate).

Auden Tate is never going to be Mike Williams.  You're comparing a 4.49 guy to a 4.68 guy  Williams has 17 20+ yard catches and 8 40+ yard catches.  Tate had 8 20+ yard catches and 0 40+ yard catches.  While better QB play is a factor, the main reason Williams is a 1000 yard WR and Tate is a 575 yard WR is Williams is a big bodied WR with deep speed and Tate is a slow big bodied WR.  

Oh, I'm certain an inordinate number of fade passes were chucked out of bounds by noodle armed Andy in Tate's general direction in the red zone just for the specific reason of making him look like a joke inside the 20.  His red zone stats are what they are.  If you have facts to refute the reasonable inference we can make from his stats that Tate blows in the red zone, present them. If you don't, let it go.  You can throw some names out there that did worse, but that doesn't mean he did well.

While Andy doesn't have great ball placement, he was top 5 in the league in percentage of passes thrown to receivers with a defender within a yard of them.  That's because guys don't get open, including Tate.  While you can argue separation doesn't matter, the only guy in the top 20 in that metric that's in the playoffs is Russell Wilson.  You need guys that can get open if you want to win.

Hate to break it to you, but Boyd did not have some great season.  He was 7th in the league in targets, 25th in yards, tied for 11th in catches, and tied for 44th in TD's.  This year was really proof positive that Boyd isn't a #1.  In the current NFL, you give any decent WR enough targets and they'll put up decent yardage.