12-02-2016, 02:00 PM
(12-02-2016, 11:05 AM)Hammerthis Wrote: Like so many here, you insinuate that Andy's imperfections are due to his surroundings and when he performes flawlessly it's due to his ability.
Poor coaching can effect a lot things, but I'm not sure if it can cause a veteran, 2xPB QB to consistently fumble, pass over WRs heads and etc.
I do respect Andy, and in fact, I'm a firm believer that he can win a SB with the RIGHT TEAM! But so can all of the other starting QB's in the NFL. The bengals imo are not a good fit for Andy...we're not dominate enough.
I mentioned the lower ranking QB's because of two things. 1. I asked if you could find one that had everything a QB could ask for including a good HC. Think about it, maybe you will think a little differently about QB rankings and stats
2. Because near the bottom is where I'm predicting Andy will end this season at.
Like so many on here, you insinuate that the best time to judge Dalton's true potential is when his o-line is in shambles, he has multiple injuries/changes at WR, is working in his 3rd OC (a rookie OC at that) and the team in general just blows.
Basically, let's judge him for a situation where any QBs numbers would take a dive.
Don't judge him on when the team was being run how it should be with healthy receivers and semi-decent blocking.
Seems backwards to me. You put any good QB in this situation, and they'd be lucky to escape with an 89.6 rating.
Your point on bottom-ranked QBs would make more sense if it were always guys like Tannehill, Bortles and Geno Smith at the bottom. You always see some big names near the bottom though. This year, it's Newton, Flacco and Palmer all beneath Dalton. Why is that? Situations change, teams change, and sometimes that can make a good QB have a down season. Heck, even Brady was ranked around 19th in passer rating a few years ago when Gronk went down and he was working in New receivers...and he wasn't dealing with a horrendous o-line and a new rookie OC.
As much as you want to justify using this season as some scathing judgement of Dalton, it just doesn't work. Good QBs have mediocre seasons in bad situations. Pick any good QB in NFL history and I can show you a bad season or 3, where he underperformed due to problems around him.
You say Dalton can win a SB with a great team around him. The question I would ask you, is what QB can win a SB with an average team around him? Many view Newton as elite. He needed an elite defense and good weapons and blocking to even reach the SB. Flaccid and Eli needed great defense in the playoffs. Brady has great blocking, good weapons, and great defense. Wilson has outstanding defense and great run game. Etc etc. Stop using that as some kind of indictment of Dalton when it's true of every good QB.
The training, nutrition, medicine, fitness, playbooks and rules evolve. The athlete does not.
