12-02-2016, 05:25 PM
(12-02-2016, 02:00 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Like so many on here, you insinuate that the best time to judge Dalton's true potential is when his o-line is in shambles, he has multiple injuries/changes at WR, is working in his 3rd OC (a rookie OC at that) and the team in general just blows.
Basically, let's judge him for a situation where any QBs numbers would take a dive.
Don't judge him on when the team was being run how it should be with healthy receivers and semi-decent blocking.
Seems backwards to me. You put any good QB in this situation, and they'd be lucky to escape with an 89.6 rating.
Your point on bottom-ranked QBs would make more sense if it were always guys like Tannehill, Bortles and Geno Smith at the bottom. You always see some big names near the bottom though. This year, it's Newton, Flacco and Palmer all beneath Dalton. Why is that? Situations change, teams change, and sometimes that can make a good QB have a down season. Heck, even Brady was ranked around 19th in passer rating a few years ago when Gronk went down and he was working in New receivers...and he wasn't dealing with a horrendous o-line and a new rookie OC.
As much as you want to justify using this season as some scathing judgement of Dalton, it just doesn't work. Good QBs have mediocre seasons in bad situations. Pick any good QB in NFL history and I can show you a bad season or 3, where he underperformed due to problems around him.
You say Dalton can win a SB with a great team around him. The question I would ask you, is what QB can win a SB with an average team around him? Many view Newton as elite. He needed an elite defense and good weapons and blocking to even reach the SB. Flaccid and Eli needed great defense in the playoffs. Brady has great blocking, good weapons, and great defense. Wilson has outstanding defense and great run game. Etc etc. Stop using that as some kind of indictment of Dalton when it's true of every good QB.
Maybe because so many on here feel that judging Dalton when (when all the stars line up) he has a healthy OL, a good and steady OC on the sidelines, our starting WR's are available and the team is just balling would be silly! Because like 2015, we would be a good team, winning a high percentage of our games. But not dominate!
Having all the stars line up perfectly to be good gets a lot folks on here excited. Why should one Bengal fan want to spoil anothers excitement?
Better to wait until reality sets in.
Unfortunately, that's when they'll expect the team to go out sign more offensive talent.
MB should spare no limits and reload year, after year with the best players in the NFL on offense.
Example, just a few days ago a bunch of posters were suggesting Andy could use the services of, 6ft 5" tall, 4.3 speed Pryor to line up opposite of AJ.
Even if we signed Pryor, it still would take everything being just right, to be just good, not dominate! That doesn't excite me.
Indictment of Andy? In some ways I guess I am because this team is designed to be lead by the offense and with the players he's had around him we should have been dominant on offense for at least a year or two but never quite reached it. The teams you mentioned for comparison were dominate were they not?
As for for QB rankings, as you know, I feel you put way too much on QB stats.
My point is, QB's usually rise and fall in the rankings with their teams and as a team, unfortunately, we're going down and as a result Andy stats and ranking is going down as well. I'm hoping you'll stop emphasizing how great Andy is based solely on QB stats.
Earlier this season you predicted he would finish the season with a 90% passer rating and I thought the team would determine that.
