09-16-2017, 01:02 PM
(09-16-2017, 12:21 PM)BigSeph Wrote: 1. When was the last time you updated your sig?
2. The problem is that a lot of people give Andy the "benefit of the doubt" every day, every game, every year, and their criticism of him ("Oh he is just hurried and needs to stay composed") is never really a criticism of him, it's a criticism of something else (the O-line).
3. There's no doubt that when surrounded by good coaching, 3 above average WRs, a decent O-line, a strong run game, Andy Dalton is a good NFL QB.
We've all seen it.
4. The question is, what happens when parts of that are stripped away? What happens when it's not Hue calling plays, but Zampese? What happens when the front office lets a decent O-line walk and provides Andy with a bad O-line? When you take away even one of those components, Andy's play reflects it. Take away all of them, Andy's play reflects it.
That's not exactly a leader and that's not a QB who raises or elevates the play of his teammates.
So I think criticism of Andy is warranted - and I mean criticism of Andy, not criticism of other parts of the team disguised as criticism of Andy.
1. Haven't been much in the mood to update the sig. Been kinda bummed about the 0-2 start, seeing as how I'm a Bengals fan, not just a fan of 1 player. I'm sure not much has changed though, considering it's only 2 games in a career that spans 95 games. I'll update it soon, just for you, although it seems like you guys never ask for updates after a good stretch (and yes I've lagged on it then, too)
2. Which other years (we're at 2 games, but whatever...) did Andy need us to give him benefit of the doubt? 2014? Any other years you can point to? So no...it's not "every day, every year". And are you really going to argue that the o-line isn't a legitimate excuse? Is that what you're rolling with? The o-line deserves criticism dude.
3. When has Andy been "surrounded" by good coaching? How many times has he had 3 above average WR's? When has he had a strong run game? Stop the nonsense. He's succeeded without many of these things.
4. What QB is unaffected by the situation around him?
- Russell Wilson's stats are nearly identical to Dalton's since the beginning of last year, and all he's dealt with is a bad o-line. His coordinator wasn't fired, he has a better run game, and less injuries at receiver. The o-line falling apart is all it took for his play to decline.
- Tom Brady had several injuries at receiver in 2013. The result? He fell to 17th in the league in passer rating. Same thing with Edelman this year and he looked awful in week 1.
- Brees lost Sean Payton in 2012. The result? His passer rating dropped 14.3 points and his completion % was (still is) his lowest in any year since 2003. Led the league in INT's. His line wasn't bad (26 sacks). His receivers were healthy. He just lost his favorite coach.
- Rodgers had some injuries at WR in 2015. The result? Career low's in passer rating (ranked 15th), completion % (ranked 26th) and YPA (ranked 30th).
*this shouldn't have to be said, but on here it does: This was not me saying Dalton = Brady, Rodgers or Brees. This was me showing that ALL QB's are affected by their surroundings. Even the best. Now an "above-average" guy like Dalton or Stafford? Pfff...
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