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(04-01-2020, 10:58 PM)Whatever Wrote: Well, I don't have a bunch of old big boards archived.  I can go back through all our old board Draft Challenges, though.  I can tell you not one person picked him in November or December, when he was regularly available in the 7th.  Only one person picked him in January and that was Nati Bengals who took him in the 4th on 1/28, long after the CFP.  

Interestingly enough, in the November thread, you posted your December mock including this...

"3: R3P1

LB JACOB PHILLIPS
LSU

Big, fast, rangy...Ideal LB for this team.  Of course, I would want a veteran FA added to the LB corps as well.  "


If you thought Queen was this great prospect, why did you take Phillips over him?    We know from Nati's mock that you could have gotten Queen at least a round later at that point in time.  Would you take Phillips at 33 if Queen is gone?  You seem to believe he's the better prospect.


BTW, you can go back and see numerous drafts with guys like Denzel Mims and Zack Baun going in the 7th in November and December if you think it's impossible for Queen to get bumped that far.


Oh, ok, if you don't count his best run they kinda shut him down, but not really.  You realize he had a 67 yard run against OSU, right?  So by your criteria, if we take away his best run against OSU, he had 40 yards on 15 rushes, which is a lot worse than 32 yards on 9 carries.  I'm sure you also realize that in college stats, sacks count as rushes for the QB.  So, for example, in the LSU game Lawrence was sacked twice for -11 yards, so his actual runs account for 8 carries for 60 yards.


There are only 32 NFL team's, not 33.  You also have no clue what their big boards look like or what kinds of grades they have on the guy.  Quit with the hype man routine.

So, when I asked who had him ranked as a 6th or 7th rounder before the NCG, you were referring to people doing mock drafts, not actual scouts?  Ok, there goes that credibility.  And yes, I had Phillips in the 3rd round and he could still very well go there.  In fact, he is an interesting argument because he is kind of the opposite of Queen where he had another full year of production and was the most productive player on the team in 2019.  He is also "very quiet and not a natural leader" while Queen is more vocal and firey.  The biggest thing I can say about the two of them other than their personalities is Queen has the better coverage ability and route recognition.  He also played better as the season wore on and had his best games against the best competition.  Phillips was said to have declined in production as his competition level increased.

Maybe it is a bit of my own personal demons, watching some guys disappear against the steelers.  I remember that Reggie Nelson always seemed to have some of his best games against them.  WJIII, too.  I want players that shine on the biggest stage and play their best in the biggest moments.  Queen fits that bill best of what could be available to the Bengals in Rd 2.  Having him next to Pratt in Nickel looks very appealing to me.  

And btw, Lawrence was sacked by OSU 3 times for 25 yards, so actually by your comparison of his "actual run count" of 8 rushes for 60 yards not being a good job handling him as a rusher, those yards added to his Ohio State game numbers calculates as 13 for 132 yards, or an average of 10.1 yards per carry, while LSU held him to 7.5 ypc.  Again, far superior to OSU, who is far from shabby on defense.  

Lastly, as far as quitting the "hype man" routine.  Please STFU.  We are here to debate and discuss players that can improve this team.  I think that is Queen.  He is a fringe first round talent and we have a real shot of getting him.  It is very realistic and not hype at all when you consider where the so-called experts have him projected.  If you disagree with that, fine.  But that doesn't mean I can't discuss him or project him to the Bengals in Rd 2.