05-06-2020, 03:37 PM
(05-06-2020, 01:10 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I'm not sure how Ben will look with a year of rust. And he's definitely getting older. That said...
1.) His last year played (2 years ago) he posted career highs in both yardage and TD's. His completion % was his 2nd highest of his career, and his QBR ranked in the top 3.
So I'm not sure I understand the refernce point of a need to see him from 5 years ago. To me this makes it sounds as if he's been on a steady decline over that span, that 5 years ago was the "real Ben" and that as of more recent he's not.
2018 was arguably his greatest season as a Pro. So the question should be if he's close to 2 years ago, not 5.
2.) Drew Brees has posted back to back to back 100+ QBR seasons since he was the age Ben is now. At age 40, two years older than Ben his now, he posted a career high rating of 115.7, with 4000k+ yards and a 32 TD vs 5 INT split.
Peyton Manning, at the same age as Ben is now, posted 4,700 yards with 39 TD's and lead his team to 12-4 record, earning MVP votes and being ranked #5 in the Top 100 list.
Even the often forgotten Phillip Rivers, who has very recently finally "aged" out of being a great QB, was posting 4,300 yards, with 32 TD's and a 105 rating at the same age Ben is currently.
Tom Brady is not the only guy who can claim there's success past 35 for QB's. The league has greatly changed due to the likes of not just Brady, but Brees, Manning, and yes, even Ben.
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Like i said, maybe he falls off. Maybe the injury is the nail in the coffin. Maybe it's simply age, rust, or combination of every thing. But I don't think it's fair to say he's due to fall just because he's not Tom Brady. And he doesn't need to return to 5 years ago. The last time we saw him he was still as good as ever.
PS While I think his football skills may have not diminished just yet, I have to believe that he's not raping as many people. At least I hope so. He's much bigger and not as quick so it's probably harder for him corner women in bathroom stalls and hotels.
Dude you cant compare Ben to those guys. They take/took care of themselves. Ben is one beer and hotdog away from having a heart attack on the field. Hes injured all the time it seems like and is reluctant to play it seems like a lot of the time when he is healthy.
He might put up some monster numbers but my guess is he wont. He doesn't have the star power around him when Brown and Bell were on the team and Ju-Ju is over rated. He was good when Brown and Bell were the focus of defenses; hes not going to carry the offence on his own.
Additionally he forced Haley out because he didn't like his style but he was putting up huge numbers with Haley so I don't know what his beef is but too much has changed since Ben looked good to make me believe hes still got it.
And the last time we saw him he wasn't as good as ever. When he played last year he wasn't all that good at all. He went 0-2 last year with no TDs and 1 interception and a 66 rating. Granted that a very small sample size but you cant say he was good last time we saw him because he wasnt.
Maybe I'm wrong and you're right but I just don't see him having the the same end to his career as some of the guys you mentioned. I see him falling off like Eli did.
