The Last Dance

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(05-23-2020, 09:47 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: Really cool to hear Presence Tense by Pearl Jam to close out the series. Awesome song. From the GOAT of music to the GOAT of basketball.

Um... hell no.

Opinions are opinions, but when anyone in PJ has the intellectual or artistic ability to write even *2* songs up to the level that someone like Pete Townshend or Neil Peart can/did, then maybe you can have a discussion on PJ's merit.

They are a middling band at best and a shitty musical act at worst; they aren't even the best out of their genre.

(05-24-2020, 02:20 AM)J24 Wrote: I can respect that but I just think lebron doesn't get the credit he deserves from most Jordan fans. Those Spurs teams & Warriors team that Lebron faced were much better than any team Jordan faced in the Finals.
Plus Lebron carried a bunch of know names to the finals in 2007, 2015(both Kyrie and Love were hurt), and 2018. 

Jordan also had the best team during those runs especially during the second three peat.  Pippen and Rodman are arguably the best defenders in the history of the sport,Steve Kerr was a great 3pt shooter,and Kukoc is arguably a top 5 international player of all time.

While that is generally the only real knock against Jordan (being on stacked teams), it is 100% valid, IMO; they needed him and he needed them (otherwise, as history has shown, no championships), but anyone can look like an all-out star with a supporting cast like that.

I don't want to get into a discussion on the best of all-time, because the last 2 times that happened, the thread went in circles lol, but I still contend that Wilt was the best player ever and, IMO, it really isn't up for discussion.

Nobody put up the numbers, game in, game out, that he did and while MJ did single-handedly take over games at times, Wilt took over EVERY game he ever played, basically (until the Laker days, where it can be argued even then, that he was still the most-dominating player in each game he took part in).

Just wasn't fair for other players.

(05-14-2020, 07:21 PM)jason Wrote: Yeah... I love the never before seen footage. Jordan and the East all stars trashing a 19 year old Kobe, Michael gambling with security guards at the United Center, Jordan, Scottie, and Ron Harper drinking beer in designer suits after a game... It also really reinforces how much I miss 80s and 90s basketball. The players weren't all friends. It was physical. There was more diversity in offense. My other big takeaway is our Michael Jordan outta Ohio State needs to go by Mike or his middle name or something.... He doesn't deserve it. Same went for that Dolphins running back named Kareem Abdul-Jabbar back in the day ... GTFOH with that.

1. It was, "Karim."
2. He used his Muslim name, bestowed upon him by his Imam, unlike Kareem who just converted and picked his name. If it was at all intentional, I guarantee you you'd see it happen frequently (Muslim's changing their names to the same as established Muslims); even our, "Catholic Names," (which I don't have, but a TON of people do), are chosen because of a spiritual or familial connection and are bestowed upon us by a priest during confirmation, if we indeed choose to denote it.
3. He now goes by, "Abdul-Karim Al-Jabbar," since Lew sued him (which is friggin' ridiculous; he's not making money OFF of him).

The whole UCLA and #33 thing is weird though lol, but the football player did wear #33 before the name change.