09-21-2020, 06:04 PM
(09-21-2020, 12:53 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Cool. So how do you get people to wear a mask when they refuse to do it of their own accord?200K mostly elderly and 40+% nursing deaths out 325M after 7 months. Open it up and stop crushing people. Wear a mask if you want, social distance if you want, but open it all back up. If you are terrified of Covid stay in your house. Let everyone else open up.
Why should I do your work for you? You're the one suggesting the ancillary harms could be worse than the death count. It's not my job to make your point for you.
So a 20 y/o losing a job is worse than a 65 y/o dying? Or a 20 y/o losing a job is worse than a 20 y/o with asthma dying of Covid?
You didn't? Then what did you mean by this . . .
Your first link isn't counting lives lost. It's counting hours lost. Which means all deaths aren't created equal because all lives aren't created equal. It other words. Your 9 y/o's life is more valuable than your 12 y/o's life. Are you willing to look your 12 y/o in the eye and tell him their sibling's life is more valuable?
Most of the conditions they are complaining about in your second source and used for that study aren't even in effect anymore, such as deferred cancer screening. Most of the doctor's complaints haven't been in effect since May and are no longer applicable. Which means their conclusion based upon conditions that no longer apply aren't applicable, either. If you need any sort of cancer screening here you can get it, but if you work at a restaurant you have to wear a face covering. Oh, boo freakin' hoo! Do you know why restaurant workers have to wear a face covering? For the same reason a guy working in IT at a hospital with zero patient contact has to wear one. Are you going to die from wearing a face covering? No, you're not. But, you just might save a life by wearing one by not infected someone else directly or indirectly.
I asked for evidence to support your claim of increased prevalence of child abuse. This source does nothing to support your claim. The only thing that article identifies is a 50% decrease in child abuse reports in two states suggesting it is because students aren't in school. But, it also identifies teaches account for 20% of reports which wouldn't explain the 50% decrease. It also identified "some" hospitals have reports increased cases of child abuse without any statistics to support your claim. At best, you have speculation to support your speculation.
And there were approximately 675,000 deaths in America over a 2 year period. We have almost 1/3rd the total deaths in 1/4th of the time span.
Those peaceful protestors are doing exactly what you suggest. You don't get to suggest doing away with masks or masks mandates and opening everything up then complain about people not wearing masks and acting like everything is normal.
This is an infectious disease which no one has immunity to it. So everyone is at risk of getting it. With a case fatality rate of 3% and a population of 325M who are susceptible that gives you 9M deaths without mitigation strategies.
It's like figuring out how many miles you can drive with a 17 gallon gas tank and truck that gets 21 mpg highway.
Claiming the ancillary harms are worse than the lives lost without evidence is pretty much the definition of fear mongering.
From the CDC source you provided, those numbers are also unsupported and the 40% number includes residents and staff without separating the two or identifying age groups or comorbidities to actually fact check it.
You know a helluva lot more than I do about IT. You just don't know the first thing about masks. Therefore, you shouldn't be handing out advice about who, when, what, where, or why about masks on a national level.
