05-27-2015, 10:46 AM
(05-27-2015, 10:37 AM)fredtoast Wrote: So which is it? Did he improve from 2012 to 2013 or not?
Which is it? first you claim he has not really improved. Then you seem to acknowledge that he has improved. It is getting hard for me to keep track of which side of your mouth you are talking from.
Huh? I'm talking out of the side that's explaining that I never said "he didn't improve at all", but I did say something along the lines of "he didn't improve as much as you're implying". Fred, if you're having trouble reading, I can only help so much. I can't force you to be able to read properly 100% of the time. Seriously, you need to stop putting words in my mouth to try and be right. I didn't contradict myself at all no matter how many times you try and lie about it. You even quoted my posts that show 0 contradiction, I don't know why you're trying to force something that's not there. Are you hoping people will see you claiming this and just believe you without reading my posts? I don't know why else you'd be doing this unless you just honestly can't read very well.
(05-27-2015, 10:38 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Passer rating takes ints into consideration.
You are the one cherry picking stats to make your point, not me.
No, if you actually used INTs, completion percentage, or QBR then your "he has improved every year" propaganda would be proven to be incorrect. By only showing the stats that make statement true, you'd be the one cherry picking. Do you follow along or do I need to explain it in more detail? How would I be "cherry picking" when I'm not the one making the claim? I'm merely debunking your "he's improved statistically" claim by showing that there are, in fact, statistics that weren't improved every year. His INT% has gotten worse each year, his completion% dropped almost a half of a percentage between 2 of the years, and his QBR dropped a point or two as well (if you're into that sort of thing).
I don't think you know what cherry picking means if you think that's what I'm doing here.
For the record, I'm fine by using passer rating as the standard for QB statistics, I usually find it to be the most telling stat, though it doesn't hurt to look in depth as well. I also do believe Andy has improved in some ways throughout the years, but it's hardly the transformation that you always imply by using 100% statistics. You're never willing to just talk about him as a QB outside of stats, and that's because either 1. You don't know much about QB play, or 2. You're afraid it may hurt your arguments if you tell the truth about what you see.
