05-27-2015, 02:45 PM
(05-27-2015, 11:57 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Okay Mr. Reading Expert. Please show me exactly how much I "implied" he improved. Feel free to use the quote button instead of just making stuff up.
I just said that it felt implied that you were saying that he improved a lot more than I feel that he did. At least I'm not sitting here blatantly lying and putting words into your mouth. I merely mentioned what I felt was implied. Nothing more, nothing less. If I was wrong, then that's great and just means that we're closer on our opinions than I originally thought.
(05-27-2015, 11:59 AM)fredtoast Wrote: No. It is because anyone can say anything when all we talk about is opinion. People like you claim he is not improving. Some people are even worse than you and claim he is absolutely terrible. So i don't waste my time arguing opinions when no one has anything to back up his opinion.
Sure, anyone can say anything, but why not be willing to have the conversation? Stats don't tell the whole story and they never have. Stats can also be manipulated in many ways. I can show you things that strengthen my argument while you do the same. Why not be able to throw our own opinion of what we actually saw on the field in the mix as well? It's obnoxious that people like you just go on about how I'm not a talent evaluator (none of us are paid to do so) and all you care about are the stats that fall in line with your opinions. I don't see what's wrong with having a discussion about which parts of Andy's game haven't really looked much improved compared to the ones that have been better over the years. Just because a guy throws a few more yards and TDs one year than the last doesn't mean that player has technically "improved" at his position. There's a lot more to it than that, and I'm sure that you understand but for some reason you don't want to have those talks about QB mechanics and whatnot.
Honestly, I think it's very interesting that the same people that are willing to throw out excuse after excuse for Andy's drop in statistics from 2013 to 2014 are the same people that completely ignore what Andy gained between 2012 to 2013. Everyone will bring up the injuries to excuse him last year but they don't bat an eye at the gain in talent around him from his first 2 years into his 3rd. It's quite interesting to say the least.
I think I'm mostly baffled at how we still all give even the smallest amount of care to what one another thinks about Andy Dalton. After all of these years of arguing, we're still having the same (yet slightly altered) conversations. The craziest part about it is that most of us that argue the most all hold the same belief that Andy is an average QB, the arguments are usually based on future predictions or nitpicking the past. I guess you can say that no matter which side of the fence you're on, at least we've all proven to be quite passionate about this team.
