06-10-2022, 03:54 PM
(06-10-2022, 03:45 PM)hollodero Wrote: That is the underlying tragedy, isn't it. Team red or team blue, two options and that's it. At times I wonder if i can even call that a choice, or a real democracy for that matter.
Yes, it's hardly ideal. There should be a decent middle ground between that and a situation such as Italy. I'm thinking four viable parties at most.
Quote:I understand why, I will make no effort to persuade you otherwise. That being said, here's the case I would make for a moderate Democratic candidate (as I perceive Biden to be). A vote for such a person would strengthen the moderate wing in the party, those that don't shout defund the police and so on. Not voting for such a person might be the path for the less moderate portions of the party to gain more influence. And then sooner or later one of those people will be nominated and win a presidential election (given the next republican-connived effort to get rid of them has not succeeded), because team blue wins once in a while no matter who or what. That would be said case of mine for voting for a moderate Democrat over a democracy-averse republican. I don't know, makes sense in my head.
I think the days of the moderate are temporarily over. Biden is absolutely no longer a moderate, not by the standards I grew up with.
Quote:Which sounds wild to me. Now, of all times. When the current GOP proved time and again that they in the largest part are just spineless sycophants to Trump (and then some). Democrats really got that much worse in the same timespan that it's even worse than that... well who am I to say it isn't so. Thanks Callie.
I've witnessed the immense amount of damage caused, and still being caused, by the Democratic party's positions. I honestly wish I could take you out in the field and show you the reality of this. I started this job over twenty years ago, and some of the old hands when I started really tried to impress how much better things had generally gotten since the 80's and 90's. Now I'm the old hand and all I can tell the newer officers is how terribly shitty things have gotten and to stick with it because the pendulum has to swing back at some point. I really want to believe that, and maybe Boudin being shit canned in San Francisco is the start of it. I'm definitely not holding my breath though.
