The American Two Party system

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(03-08-2023, 04:34 AM)hollodero Wrote: That seems somewhat fair, though I would say that as of now, it also might be Biden. Obama imho also did not exactly initiate wars, he inherited some conflicts and kept fighting them, but so did Trump. He threw the mother of all bombs, kept troops in Afghanistan, got scumbag Suleimani killed. That does not make him a war mongerer, of course. I still rather perceive Trump as unpredictable than predictably a peace-loving white bird though. If his vanity is not reigned in by somewhat wanting to stay electable, I don't know what he could initiate. He does do the talk of fire and fury at times, or calling Kim short and fat and having a smaller button, or he suggests to attack Russia with planes under a false Chinese flag, something he probably meant quite seriously. Who knows what other brilliant ideas come to him and if he can be stopped from actually going through. I do not trust him.

Obama sent us into (at least)...
Lybia
Mali
Yemen
Somalia
Syria

He also had a large scale bombing/missile campaign, vastly expanded our drone strike program, and also opened up drone strikes to being used to kill US Citizens. He had US airstrike campaigns going on in about twice as many countries as Bush, and nobody is going to mistake Bush for Gandhi.

That mother of all bombs? First used in combat by... you guessed it, the Obama administration, 14 years after they were made.

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As I said, I would never and will never vote for Trump, and I sure would love it if he could just be absolutely destroyed in the primaries so he can slink off into obscurity for the rest of his life (he's 76, it can't be THAT long, right? RIGHT? Lol) and let the rest of US politics move on from him and his people. I will give him credit for this one very specific topic, though, regardless of if he intended for it or stumbled into it. Rhetoric aside and looking at results, he was our least warring President in 40 years.

The US withdrawal from Afghanistan was both negotiated and initiated by the Trump administration. When Biden was sworn in, we were already down to 2,500 troops there with a deadline already made for full withdrawal.