08-09-2023, 09:39 PM
(08-09-2023, 09:18 PM)Dill Wrote: Trying to remember . . . oh yes, now I do remember actually taking part inseveral protests against the war, most importantly in 1971 against the bombing of Cambodia. It's coming back to me now . . . .
. . . in fact, ALL of it is coming back, how it was Johnson and a staff of what, certainly not conservative advisors (maybe Rostow, certainly not McNamara) who expanded the war against the advice of area experts. And for years with the support of BOTH liberals and conservatives in congress. The protest I most remember was against the liberal-run Democratic Party, at their convention in 1968, motivated by their support of the war.
Some of the mystery goes away if we introduce a more precise and focused conception of "the left," especially the New Left, which explicitly set themselves apart from "liberals" and lead in the organization and prosecution of protests. That distinction is collapsed in current Fox usage.
An odd post, especially given that it was your sixth or seventh attempt at it. You stated "liberals" supported the war in Vietnam, not that the Democratic party supported the war in Vietnam. If you meant to say that the Dems supported it, you'd be correct. You'd also be correct if you claimed that the Dems actually started our involvement in it. But that's not what you said in your post, in either case. So, if that's what you meant just be a man and admit you misspoke so we can all move on. That shouldn't take multiple attempts to achieve either.
(08-09-2023, 09:06 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Raising the voting age to 25 requires allowing the current GOP to fiddle with the constitution and it further increases the number of taxpaying Americans who are subject to unequal representation, so I'm not a fan.
And oddly enough, I'd wager Vivek himself has a lot more support with young voters than old ones. He seems like he's way more popular with the reddit conservatives, at least.
I don't disagree. But if you're following current leftist logic then his position is completely consistent with theirs. I do find it interesting that Dems brag about overwhelming support from an age group that they simultaneously claim, correctly by scientific measure, isn't mentally mature.
