03-03-2024, 08:00 PM
(03-03-2024, 06:59 PM)Dill Wrote: Hmmm. Let's not use Occam's razor to slice away history.
Alternatively, you could use it to actually bolster your position.
Quote:You left out some stuff about the "professional military of a democratic nation," didn't you?
Did, I? Do tell.
Quote:It is an ethnic settler state, an occupying force which drove the families of the "terrorist organization" from their homes, employing
rape and massacre, then bottled them up inside a narrow strip of land, all illegally according to international law.
Pure Hamas terrorist propaganda. Your sympathy for terrorists is known, your repetition of their talking points should earn you the condemnation of everyone. Of course, it won't, because you sheep all follow the same shepherd.
Quote:Since then they have developed a reputation in the region for imposing collective punishment on the civilians they've deprived of statehood and rights;
blinding children, journalists and other civilians with rubber-coated bullets, using them as human shields in combat, etc. They also have a reputation
for doing the same in nearby Lebanon, killing 20,000 of their civilians in the 1982 war, responsible for the massacre of thousands of Palestinians there.
None of this can be disputed--though it can be left out of evaluating IDF behavior as inconvenient.
Let's say that everything you say is 100% fact (it isn't but let's say). How does this change a single factual thing I stated about Hamas? How does this refute anything about their actions, activities or history? It doesn't, and you know it doesn't. Which is why you always try and shift the conversation away from Hamas to what big meanies the IDF is. Refute a single thing I said about Hamas, just try.
Quote:Now a powerful right wing of their government wants to "finish the job" begun in '47 and drive Palestinians out of their homes in
the occupied territories for good. And their rules of engagement make them a danger even to their own hostages.
Yes, when the enemy hides behind civilians and hostages there will be casualties. Answer this question, if Hamas did not hide among civilians, and operate out of civilian areas, would that lessen the civilian casualties in this conflict?
Quote:We aren't getting the story from a "terrorist organization," but from at least two different news organizations, plus an Israeli supplied drone video.
Since the video we have shows starved civilians fleeing AFTER gunshots, I'm going to question the IDF version for sure.
Sure. Hamas embeds themselves within civilian mob, as per their usual MO. Hamas fires on IDF from within civilian mob, as per their usual MO. IDF returns fire, even while attempting to target only combatants and some civilians are killed. Terrorist sympathizers like yourself then get to blame the IDF for civilian deaths deliberately caused by Hamas. You're not talking to "struggle of the month" college students here. You're not talking to people who can be guilted into sympathizing with some of the most monstrous human beings on the planet. You're talking to people with a clear understanding of the tactics of the dogs of Hamas and aren't afraid to call them out. Save your equivocating for terrorists for your lefty friends desperate to atone for the sin of being born.
