03-13-2024, 08:01 PM
(03-13-2024, 04:20 PM)Dill Wrote: Depends on what you call "mitigating" and "making excuses."
I'd go with mitigating and making excuses.
Quote:Why isn't refusal to acknowledge both exist and exert their views in their respective spheres a kind of "making excuses" for one side?
Acknowledging them as both existing is not an issue. As I've repeatedly stated throughout this thread, it's the attempt to equate Hamas with the Israeli government or IDF that is, has and will continue to be the issue.
Quote:There is no person on this list who "consistently makes excuses for, and defends, groups such as Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hezbollah and Hamas."
If the list has you on it then it does.
Quote:E.g., you once called me an "ISIS supporter" simply for refusing, on humanitarian based ethics, to call them "animals" or "savages."
Is that "apologizing" for them, or rather a refusal to endorse, as you do, the application of de-humanizing language to other humans?
I "support" ISIS because I refuse to dehumanize? And you don't because you do dehumanize??
It had much more to do with your excuse making for them, excusing or mitigating their actions as more a result of their reaction to US policy than their being revolting religious fanatics.
Quote:Isn't it more accurate to say that there is a guy on this list who consistently accuses people of "supporting" and "apologizing for" groups he denounces
if they prefer social-scientific comparison/analysis to following him in pointless, repetitive denunciation?
Careful, I wouldn't want you to break you arm patting yourself on the back. I'll reiterate and leave it at this, since we're firmly in the Dill vortex now. Attempts to equate Hamas, a terrorist organization that engages in slaughter and mass rape as well as kidnapping infants, to the Israeli government or the IDF is, 1. making them appear as equally bad actors, which is false, 2. mitigating their actions as a response to equally bad actions, which is false, and 3. a repetition of the exact type of propaganda Hamas spews on the regular. You can criticize the IDF or Israel while also acknowledging that Hamas is a significant cut above them and a terrorist organization.
So let's do this and see if we can put this issue to bed. First, state unequivocally that Hamas is a terrorist organization. Second, acknowledge that the IDF, for it's faults, is not a terrorist organization nor a bad actor on even close the same level as Hamas (I'm leaving you a huge opening here I'm sure you'll take). Third, acknowledge that civilian casualties are at the very least equally the result of Hamas deliberately embedding themselves within their own civilian populace. Lastly, acknowledge that Hamas and their allies want to destroy Israel and remove every last Jew from the Middle East. I know you won't do this, but I'll be amused by your dodging it however you choose to do so.
And with that, I'm done. Good night, and may god bless.
