Israel/Hamas War Superthread

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(05-03-2024, 02:05 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: And yes I keep lumping the Palestinian dispossession in with the Civil Rights movement, because it is about how the Israeli state deprives 5 million
Palestinians of basic human rights.  But see that point you must first agree that Palestinians have basic human rights.

I don't recall MLK and his followers engaging in gang rape, mass murder and kidnapping and killing infants.  Did I miss that?

So is civil rights history limited to King? It's quite possible that white women were raped during slave rebellions, like Nat turner's. Turner, by the way, killed his master and his wife and children with an ax. Then went on to "mass murder" some 70 more whites. 

But I'd still say Turner and his slaves were the oppressed. Do you think they were not? 
Am I "mitigating" and "apologizing" forTurner's crimes by saying slavery was wrong?

If MLK had engaged in gang rape, mass murder, and kidnapping and killing infants, segregation would still be wrong, right?
And Blacks living under it would still have been oppressed, right?

Your constant return to gang rape and mass murder--but only on Oct 7 and only by Palestinians (not just Hamas)--looks designed to obfuscate the primary
issue, which is the occupation before Oct 7 and now the Gaza War.  It's become openly defensive, a desperate high ground that requires blinders to protect.

Just as segregation would still be wrong and blacks oppressed by it if MLK did rape and mass murder, so is the occupation and indiscriminate warfare,
despite what Hamas did.

(05-03-2024, 02:05 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Speaking for everyone again. How do you know "no one here, or pretty much anywhere, is buying it"?
So why are there protests all over the world? Why has SA brought a genocide charge against Israel to the ICJ?

Because western liberal guilt is a pervasive and sadly inane ideology.  How do I know it's failing though?  I'm paying attention.

Your impressions aren't evidence. So you don't know and don't generally take much care to make your statements accurate.
(BTW to what degree is "white guilt" is a construct deployed to the ends of white supremacy?)

(05-03-2024, 02:05 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I notice you didn't comment on the 13,000 children who have died in Gaza.

What 13k?  The ones reported by the terrorist organization?
Cool.  In the interim let's focus on your ignoring the actually broadcast gang rapes by Hamas.  No need to wait on the UN for proof of those.  

So no 13k?  This is not careful, skeptical vetting of sources, just denial.  I haven't denied Hamas/Palestinian rapes.

No need to wait for any UN proof of dispossession and occupation either. That's also "actually broadcast."

You say you don't "support" ethnic cleansing, but I'm not seeing any evidence you are actually against it,
at least not if Israel is the cleanser. You cannot even bring yourself to call it "oppression" and the cleansed "oppressed."

Lol not a bit of "white guilt" in you, for sure.